Patient trait in ruler designer. Is it bugged?

[maxirage]

It gives amazing bonuses to everything, but it actually gives you more points to spend if you pick it, as if it was a negative trait. As is, there is no reason not to give it to every character.

Is this working as intended? It doesn't seem balanced.

 

[ziamatt]

I was actually wondering about that. It gives exclusively positive bonuses but actually decreases age like a negative trait. Outside of RP purposes it's worth putting on every character unless you really want Wroth.

 

[Darkgamma]

It has hidden maluses.

 

[yezhanquan]

It has hidden maluses.

You really need to enlighten us on this one.

 

[Darkgamma]

All the age costs are automatically calculated, mind you.
While "patient" has a +1 to diplo, intrigue, stewardship and learning, it has a -10 on opposite opinion. This is a hidden malus, one not inferrable from the trait itself. The defines.lua file has this line: "COST_OPPOSITE_TRAIT_OPINION = 0.5", meaning that "patient" has +4 on age cost for the bonuses to 4/5 of the stats, and -5 due to 10 points of negative opposite opinion multiplied by 0.5, the cost of one point of opposite opinion. This all equals out into the trait being -1 on age, while still being a major asset.

 

[Faulty]

I think that algorithm needs adjusting a little!

 

[Alyiakal]

That is some funny calculation... Don't almost all traits have that "opposite opinion" malus? Or is it just because Patient gives less bonuses than other green traits?

 

[yezhanquan]

You are right. There are many "opposite trait" opinion modifiers. But, as far as I know, Just, Diligent, Brave and maybe Patient has a blanket +10 to vassal opinion (except with opposites, of course).

 

[Slym]

What are the hidden bonuses to stutter, then?

Because IIRC that one makes you a year older despite reducing your diplomacy by 1.

 

[Crater122]

Not to mention that I think some plots can't be undertaken by patient characters.

 

[maxirage]

Not to mention that I think some plots can't be undertaken by patient characters.

Never seen this. "Content" definitely removes plots, but Patient seems to leave them all intact.

And what is this -10 opinion malus? I haven't noticed one when playing.

 

[Comradebot]

Never seen this. "Content" definitely removes plots, but Patient seems to leave them all intact.

And what is this -10 opinion malus? I haven't noticed one when playing.

Some vassals will get it if they have the opposite. Like if you're Craven, you'll get an additional hit from Brave vassals (in addition to the regular Craven negative).

 

[Bloodly]

The opposite of 'Patient' is 'Wroth' which you generally don't want to see anyway.

What are the hidden bonuses to stutter, then?

Because IIRC that one makes you a year older despite reducing your diplomacy by 1.

Stutter gives +5 opinion to others with stutter.

 

[icon41gimp]

Isn't patient tied to a poor tactic being chosen if you're leading an army?

 

[Darkgamma]

"Stutter" actually increases age by 1.5, not 1 (2.5 - 1) due to same opinion being +5 (2.5 years) and -1 due to diplomacy -1

 

[unmerged(494787)]

Patient isn't tied to any bad tactics. Organizer is, for some stupid reason.