Is Diplomacy going to get the same treatment as HoI2 when it comes to patches? If so I wont be preordering Diplomacy.
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Phillip V said:
Originally Posted by Lothos
No they are not working on Diplomacy for 1.3 they are working on Diplomacy the game!!!! hehe
We are at the mercy of what Paradox needs to do to stay in business so till Diplomacy goes gold there is not much we can do.
So Paradox is not going to do any patches for HoI2 unless Diplomacy goes gold, and if that does not happen then no patch for anything.
I am not cheery about the whole thing. HoI1&2 is one of the best games made and they are sitting on it and not making it better. It needs a patch at lest one more the 1.3 patch.
Diplomacy *will* go gold, and when that happens, Paradox will have more time for the other games... There's only so much they can do at a time, you just have to be patient.
Or send Paradox lots of $$$$$$$$ so they can hire additional programmers or alternatively clone Johan. 
flybyu said:
OK wrong forum for a start.
But, I am confused, you say HoI 1 & 2 are TWO {My edit} of the best games made. {I agree}
But then you say it needs a patch?
Or are you asking for HoI 3? {I would like that too
}You also clearly like HoI 1 & 2 and want a Patch... but say you will NOT buy Diplomacy if that is "treated the same way"?
So... you don't like HoI 1 & 2?
Personally... patchaholics get up my nose...
Players should stop judging games by the quality of the patches and start judging games by the quality of the game
I will try to get at what the original poster was saying more elegantlythrough allegory.
I originally found Paradox somwhere around EU2 1.02 (I remember almost buying EU1 on several occasions). EU2 at that point was a decent game and lots of fun, but I doubt I would have played it for more than a month if there had not been more patches. They really, really tightened up the game! I was so happy with the level of support EU2 got that I bought CK/HOI1/VIC without reservations. I as pretty happy with the ammount of support HOI1 got (although it definitely needed at least 1 moe patch IMO), but I could understand this lack since HOI2 was coming. One of paradoxes problems is that they make such great ambitious games that people are very disappointed when they don't grow to full adulthood. And their customer base is generally the type of people who are thoughtful and caring enough to notice problems with the game and want them fixed.
A lot of the games I buy get played for a few days/weeks and then put away permanently because they no longer interest me. The problem with paradox games is that it is so easy to fall in love with what they could be with just a little more time/money/effort. This leaves people feeling betrayed when that potential is not realized. I am sure everyone knows what i am talking about (even Johan). IMO I really think HOI2/VIC/CK are still works in progress whether or not paradox thinks so. If I could go back and change the course of my life I would have studied programing and moved to Sweden so i could help make these games all they could be. Anyway, I stopped playing paradox's extant games until they recieve another patch about a year ago. I am a little bitter, but I understand the financial realities of the buisness world. I even bought the horrible Medieval RTS they published (great idea, so many issues) as a show of support.
I will also buy Diplomacy, because I love paradox and love Diplomacy, I have also somehow cajoled 8 of my friends to buy it. (Paradox might really get a bigger response to this game then they think since I think it may be many people's first CPU game, and Diplomacy players are great at word of mouth ). I hope this game is a nice solid cash cow for paradox and I hope the matching service is rock solid.
I originally found Paradox somwhere around EU2 1.02 (I remember almost buying EU1 on several occasions). EU2 at that point was a decent game and lots of fun, but I doubt I would have played it for more than a month if there had not been more patches. They really, really tightened up the game! I was so happy with the level of support EU2 got that I bought CK/HOI1/VIC without reservations. I as pretty happy with the ammount of support HOI1 got (although it definitely needed at least 1 moe patch IMO), but I could understand this lack since HOI2 was coming. One of paradoxes problems is that they make such great ambitious games that people are very disappointed when they don't grow to full adulthood. And their customer base is generally the type of people who are thoughtful and caring enough to notice problems with the game and want them fixed.
A lot of the games I buy get played for a few days/weeks and then put away permanently because they no longer interest me. The problem with paradox games is that it is so easy to fall in love with what they could be with just a little more time/money/effort. This leaves people feeling betrayed when that potential is not realized. I am sure everyone knows what i am talking about (even Johan). IMO I really think HOI2/VIC/CK are still works in progress whether or not paradox thinks so. If I could go back and change the course of my life I would have studied programing and moved to Sweden so i could help make these games all they could be. Anyway, I stopped playing paradox's extant games until they recieve another patch about a year ago. I am a little bitter, but I understand the financial realities of the buisness world. I even bought the horrible Medieval RTS they published (great idea, so many issues) as a show of support.
I will also buy Diplomacy, because I love paradox and love Diplomacy, I have also somehow cajoled 8 of my friends to buy it. (Paradox might really get a bigger response to this game then they think since I think it may be many people's first CPU game, and Diplomacy players are great at word of mouth ). I hope this game is a nice solid cash cow for paradox and I hope the matching service is rock solid.
agree with you for CK, really an unfineshed game and, at the end, disappointing. But EUII and Victoria seem rather complete: the bigger issue I find in them is the not so good AI, but that's something which seems very difficult to make perfect.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on the Vicky comment. It is in dire need of the 1.4 patch. There are alot of important balancing issues in the economy(not to mention that it will allow VIP 0.5 to finally come outlucaluca said:
).
Becephalus said:I will try to get at what the original poster was saying more elegantlythrough allegory.
I originally found Paradox somwhere around EU2 1.02 (I remember almost buying EU1 on several occasions). EU2 at that point was a decent game and lots of fun, but I doubt I would have played it for more than a month if there had not been more patches. They really, really tightened up the game! I was so happy with the level of support EU2 got that I bought CK/HOI1/VIC without reservations. I as pretty happy with the ammount of support HOI1 got (although it definitely needed at least 1 moe patch IMO), but I could understand this lack since HOI2 was coming. One of paradoxes problems is that they make such great ambitious games that people are very disappointed when they don't grow to full adulthood. And their customer base is generally the type of people who are thoughtful and caring enough to notice problems with the game and want them fixed.
A lot of the games I buy get played for a few days/weeks and then put away permanently because they no longer interest me. The problem with paradox games is that it is so easy to fall in love with what they could be with just a little more time/money/effort. This leaves people feeling betrayed when that potential is not realized. I am sure everyone knows what i am talking about (even Johan). IMO I really think HOI2/VIC/CK are still works in progress whether or not paradox thinks so. If I could go back and change the course of my life I would have studied programing and moved to Sweden so i could help make these games all they could be. Anyway, I stopped playing paradox's extant games until they recieve another patch about a year ago. I am a little bitter, but I understand the financial realities of the buisness world. I even bought the horrible Medieval RTS they published (great idea, so many issues) as a show of support.
I will also buy Diplomacy, because I love paradox and love Diplomacy, I have also somehow cajoled 8 of my friends to buy it. (Paradox might really get a bigger response to this game then they think since I think it may be many people's first CPU game, and Diplomacy players are great at word of mouth ). I hope this game is a nice solid cash cow for paradox and I hope the matching service is rock solid.
Thank you for wording it a lot better, I have always been right to the point, but sometimes it does not come out right. I will most likely buy Diplomacy as I have every other game from EU2 to date.
I have put a lot of time in on almost every game they have produced. For one thing they provide the most challenging PC strategy games out. I hope they never go out of Business or I will be very bored.
Paradox thanks for making games that make a person think. And as accurate as possible to history. Sorry if I came out a little strong, but when I seen that there might not be any more fixes for HoI2 which I feel is the best game bar none you have made so far, and just leave it sitting just made me feel bad. HoI2 can and should be the greatest WWII game ever, so please take time to patch it. HoI2 will be how other WWII games get judged by.
Becephalus, I agree wholeheartedly. Europa Universalis 1 was the first Paradox game I bought, and I bought them all ever since. But I'll not preorder Diplomacy because the way Paradox handles its games has changed with HoI 2. Maybe there are good (economical?) reasons for it, but somehow I dislike it and that's why I'll handle this one differently.Becephalus said:
I'd be interested in playing a demo of Diplomacy - if there'll be one (does anybody know?) - but this time I'll not buy "the cat in the bag". I'll wait a bit, watch the feedback in the forums and decide later. Nonetheless I hope the best for Paradox and their future.
I hope - and believe - that Johan & Co. will patch HOI2 at least once more with a major patch (1.3 and then perhaps a few minor ones) once Diplomacy is released. And Diplomacy will probably receive the same later on (though it's harder to add that many features to Diplomacy that to HOI2).
I am a longtime Paradox fan since EU I and have watched these boards for years but rarely post. While I love most types of video games and am an avid gamer real time strategy has always been my favorite and when I found EU it was and remains my favorite game of all time.
However, I can't help but worry about Diplomacy. I share the same concerns about patching, more specifically for Victoria because its my favorite time period and had/has so many issues that need to be resolved. I hope Paradox focuses 100% on the finished product rather then releasing games and trying to "tweak" them with hordes of patches like some of their previous releases.
However, I can't help but worry about Diplomacy. I share the same concerns about patching, more specifically for Victoria because its my favorite time period and had/has so many issues that need to be resolved. I hope Paradox focuses 100% on the finished product rather then releasing games and trying to "tweak" them with hordes of patches like some of their previous releases.