Patch rant

[Didymus]

Sorry, but I am quite not amused...
Well, there was a time, until 1.18 if I am right, when patches constantly broke my games. OK, there was a lot of bad luck too, but it annoyed me, that I got a good run, bug accoures but you could not use the patch, because it breaks saves.

So... Now this started again.
Got CoC, patched to 1.23. New game. OK, Patch is buggy. Wait for hotfix. Hotfix is still buggy...
The center of reformation mechanic was broken but the hotfix did not fix it but broke it the other direction. So another good save is gone. Sorry, I do not have the time to play endless games until 1525 just to check if it is bugfree. Since I am a perfectionist I am already restarting a lot of games.
I spend 20 ducats on CoC but it feels like I throw the money away, because I am in the moment not in the mood to start a new game until 1.24 just to get angry about another corrupt save...

 

[Zohtun]

Spoiler: Shitpost

Joking aside, your rant is near incoherent my friend. I've read it about 3 times and I still have no freaking idea what you're saying. If you want to be taken seriously, you may want to rewrite what exactly you're complaining about so that it could potentially be addressed.

 

[makaramus]

you spent 20 ducats for dlc? DUCATS? FOR REAL?

 

[tobias.mb]

Let me point you towards these 2 threads:

Old saves will not be compatible with Europa Universalis IV version 1.23
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...h-europa-universalis-iv-version-1-23.1051649/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...h-europa-universalis-iv-version-1-23.1051649/

How to revert to a previous patch level of Europa Universalis IV
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...patch-level-of-europa-universalis-iv.1009270/

 

[Didymus]

you spent 20 ducats for dlc? DUCATS? FOR REAL?

Or $ or € or £ or whatever...

 

[frolix42]

At this point, it is senseless to complain about patches "breaking games". @tobias.mb has helpfully provided @Didymus with the remedy he claims to need.

 

[Didymus]

OK, wait...
I am not stupid... I know since several years now how to stop the game to update. Thanks for the advice. But what would it help to go back to 1.22? I got CoC and want to play it. I did not buy the dlc because I have too much money. 1.23.1 still has to many bugs for me. So the only option is to wait for 1.24.

 

[Nyrael]

OK, wait...
I am not stupid... I know since several years now how to stop the game to update. Thanks for the advice. But what would it help to go back to 1.22? I got CoC and want to play it. I did not buy the dlc because I have too much money. 1.23.1 still has to many bugs for me. So the only option is to wait for 1.24.

DLC (and updates accompanying them) are not supposed to be added to existing games (even the compatible ones are too risky to be worth it). Either start a new game with the DLC or roll back and play without the DLC. Making the whole thing save-compatible would be extremely costly, hard to properly test, and thus a big waste of resources just to satisfy a few people who want some pointless compromises.

 

[Didymus]

Well, that's exactly what I am complaining about. New patch, new game, well bugs, so dump that save, get another patch, new game, still bugs, wait for next patch just to start another run.
And staying on one patch does not solve my problem, because first then I have to live with the bugs, second I want to play the new content...

 

[Zohtun]

Well, that's exactly what I am complaining about. New patch, new game, well bugs, so dump that save, get another patch, new game, still bugs, wait for next patch just to start another run.
And staying on one patch does not solve my problem, because first then I have to live with the bugs, second I want to play the new content...

You're meant to stay on the old content until you finish that run, then start anew to try out the new stuff.

I had a Bharat run which I declared "over" when CoC came out and switched to Mamluks. I had a blast testing the new things despite the issues. At this point WHAT bugs specifically are bothering you? Because for me the only bug which caused me a headache was watching Poland die horribly because it couldn't integrate its vassals (nor could any other AI without taking 4x the time), but I accepted that my impatience meant I ran the risk of bugs by playing the moment the patch came out. Pre-Hotfixes.

 

[makaramus]

bugs allways gonna exist: no gamer should play a game and expect bug free! more complicated game more bugs gonna be
hell there were bugs on super mario (that wall jump thingy wasnt intented as I know)

 

[Nyrael]

Well, that's exactly what I am complaining about. New patch, new game, well bugs, so dump that save, get another patch, new game, still bugs, wait for next patch just to start another run.
And staying on one patch does not solve my problem, because first then I have to live with the bugs, second I want to play the new content...

Again, if you want new content, start a new game. Developer should not waste precious resources trying to make the DLC save-game compatible, as there are better ways to spend those resources (including bugfixing).

If you are a perfectionist waiting for a bugfree version, then I suggest to stop playing these games altogether. Both after and before the DLC model was introduced, none of PDS games was truly bugfree. You are never going to get a bugfree game. The scope is way too wide to make that possible.

 

[Ulfing]

Whilst I agree bugfree is never going to happen, it is quite a large bug in the game at the moment for Christian nations. The reformation over spawned reformation centers at release, resulting in major prot/reformed takeover of the majority of nations. The hotfix corrected the spawn, but also nerfed countries converting, so the majority of the time the reformation is a tiny nuisance in the german area.

For a major part of Christian mid-game mechanics, it is a little baffling how this slipped past testing. For two releases. In a row.

Fine to play in ROTW though.

 

[Didymus]

You're meant to stay on the old content until you finish that run, then start anew to try out the new stuff.

I had a Bharat run which I declared "over" when CoC came out and switched to Mamluks. I had a blast testing the new things despite the issues. At this point WHAT bugs specifically are bothering you? Because for me the only bug which caused me a headache was watching Poland die horribly because it couldn't integrate its vassals (nor could any other AI without taking 4x the time), but I accepted that my impatience meant I ran the risk of bugs by playing the moment the patch came out. Pre-Hotfixes.

As I said: New patch, new run. That is exactly what i do.

After the hotfix there is still the reformation problem, the problem with the merchants, HRE members refuse to give provinces back... That is quite a lot.

 

[PoulsenB]

What reformation problem exactly? I play on the hotfix patch and the protestants and reformed did quite well for themselves, hell the protestants won the league war and now the HRE is protestant. Centres of reformation were working as intended. They are now being pushed back a bit only because they're squeezed between my Spanish catholic powerhouse and my ally, the catholic Commonwealth powerhouse. Is there another unfixed bug with the protestants?

 

[Zohtun]

I know it was a bug and all but I actually kinda liked seeing the reformation succeed for once. I see too many games where the reformation ends up affecting just a handful of nations and the league wars just end with Catholic de-facto victory. Watching Europe go to hell in a handbasket (while I was ROTW and only influencing the whole thing by smacking around the Ottomans) was hilarious.

 

[Ulfing]

This one:

And this one:

Not seen anyone more than a few provinces big choose to change religion, and those bigger than that in my games (i.e. Bohemia/Brandenburg types) have been forcibly flipped by rebels. It used to be that 2-3 years after the first center appeared, 2-3 nations made the choice to flip, the usual candidates being England, Brandenburg, Pomerania, Denmark, Sweden, etc. Just like the Swiss and Scotish flips pretty much always happened for Reformed. It took 35 years for the second Prot reformation center to spawn in the screenshot above, which I can't remember ever happening since the mechanics inception.

In the Naples screenshot the Emperor won the League war, but the Emperorship passed to a tiny OPM so the reformers have been on an expansion rampage.

Its been piss-weak 4 times in a row before I gave up to wait for the proper post patch. I've seen my fair share of weak reformations before, but this is different.

 

[holyvigil]

It does appear that they fixed the Cor bug but haven't fixed the nation convert by event bug. I've never seen a reformed Scotland, Switzerland, or Netherlands. I've also never seen a protestant England, Sweden, Bohemia by decision. They always must be forcibly converted by rebels. Which means if the reformation doesn't start in their country the bigger nations aren't converting. I've already reported it along with the Cor bug but they just haven't got around to it. Maybe if you post it in the bug report forums it will remind them.

 

[PoulsenB]

I've seen England, Scotland, Sweden, Bohemia, Brandenburg, and even Poland flip to protestant or reformed. Hell, in my current game England is reformed. I can't really say for this patch as I've only played a couple of games on it, but what you're showing isn't as different from what I used to see all the time in previous patches. But yeah, I agree that protestants should have a chance to get a more explosive expansion.

 

[Ulfing]

Maybe if you post it in the bug report forums it will remind them.

Hell, in my current game England is reformed.

Maybe its just been nerfed from what it was. TBH I prefer the slower progression of it, it just never seems to go anywhere. I'll be giving another session a go this week and will keep a closer eye on it before hounding the bug reports. If anyone has more anecdotes/screenshots about the current patch it might be helpful; abandoning several games in a row really riles up the confirmation bias.