Patch 2.4 Changelog

[classicist]

No that's not the one we're talking about. the one we mean is a citrus fruit. It's apperantly called Bitter orange in english. But it's pommerans in swedish (note that's the noun), and probably some more languages.

Probably named as such because it was first imported to Sweden from Pommern (and yes, I know the fruit/spice you talk about - in Finnish it's a pretty obvious calque from the Swedish, 'pomeranssi'). But the naming would be analogous to 'orange' (the fruit) being portocala in Romanian, after Portugal.

 

[MishaTX]

I thought Pomeranians were a type of fruit.

It's not. It's a fruity dog.

 

[Maeldun]

I didn't see anything in the MAJOR section of the changelog regarding the CRASH bug that occurs when you click on the claimants button twice, or click on it when a list of claimants is currently displayed. Was this fixed?

 

[HREmperor]

Is the inconsistent spouse selection thing fixed? Depending on how you entered the spouse selection for marriage, it's either right click or left click to select them. The other one will bring you to their character page. It's pretty annoying.

 

[Jon-Ace]

Really hoping this patch makes getting the Seven Centuries achievement feasible.

 

[Vindahl]

You mention several times changes concerning monks. Does this mean that the AI now also creates monks and nuns? Otherwise I cant see any progress here...

A lot of changes and fixes though, cheers for that, but I am actually not impressed.
You say it is one of the biggest patches, but the stuff in the list only covers under 1% of things useful to me... So, in my eyes I just went through the list, shrugged my shoulders and Said... Naaaa...

But great that you have focus on the bugs, thanks for it...

 

[HREmperor]

You mention several times changes concerning monks. Does this mean that the AI now also creates monks and nuns? Otherwise I cant see any progress here...

A lot of changes and fixes though, cheers for that, but I am actually not impressed.
You say it is one of the biggest patches, but the stuff in the list only covers under 1% of things useful to me... So, in my eyes I just went through the list, shrugged my shoulders and Said... Naaaa...

But great that you have focus on the bugs, thanks for it...

Did you even read the patch notes? This patch has so many amazing changes.

 

[Rationalsanity]

You mention several times changes concerning monks. Does this mean that the AI now also creates monks and nuns? Otherwise I cant see any progress here...

A lot of changes and fixes though, cheers for that, but I am actually not impressed.
You say it is one of the biggest patches, but the stuff in the list only covers under 1% of things useful to me... So, in my eyes I just went through the list, shrugged my shoulders and Said... Naaaa...

But great that you have focus on the bugs, thanks for it...

What exactly did you want to see done? At least offer some suggestions.

 

[classicist]

You say it is one of the biggest patches, but the stuff in the list only covers under 1% of things useful to me... So, in my eyes I just went through the list, shrugged my shoulders and Said... Naaaa...

Well that's a bit solipsistic, wouldn't you say? If the developers say it's one of the biggest patches and yet in your view only 1% is relevant to YOU... well, it's still one of the biggest patches. And quite a varied one at that.

 

[Vindahl]

What exactly did you want to see done? At least offer some suggestions.

Well, I wasnt being ironic - as I said, I am glad that they focus on the bugs. I just feel that I will never experience these changes made, as I have never had a problem with them. The game has over some years become quite fine to play, so these issues now taken care off, are rare things. So, I dont mention anywhere I want special changes!
I dont claim that the changes are bad, and that nobody listens to my suggestions on what they need to fix.

I am just not that excited as many others of these dlc's, with focus on very small small groups of people, like Indians or Mongols, which I never play.

Well that's a bit solipsistic, wouldn't you say? If the developers say it's one of the biggest patches and yet in your view only 1% is relevant to YOU... well, it's still one of the biggest patches. And quite a varied one at that.

I dont know that word Soliphistic, but I guess It is abusing to me...
I just speak my mind, and say that I am not impressed. If you like it, it is fine by me, but I just wanted to state that I feel these changes are not something that changes a lot for many, but rather changes little for many, or more for fewer.
It feels like checking into a hotel, chosen because it has been branded as being modernized. But the things that are modernized, are things you never see - such as a new light in the janitors closet, or a broken tile in the disabled area of the sauna...

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All in all, I just think my expectations were to high, caused by the hype on this patch and dlc.
I thought I would look through the patch notes and nodding, yes yes yes, after every line. But I could in fact not recongnize any of the issues and stuff. So for me, it is just a lot of small things.
I am really sorry if that annoys anybody, but that is just my look at it. My problems, my headache, I know... And I can just leave if I dont like it, and all that, yes yes, fine, but that I have never said!
I am just not impressed, as I had hoped to be...

 

[YourSpymaster]

Really hoping this patch makes getting the Seven Centuries achievement feasible.

It is feasible even now, it's just that you gotta stay small or reasonably sized if you want the game to run smoothly in the late stages.

 

[WeissRaben]

I dont know that word Soliphistic, but I guess It is abusing to me...

Solipsism is the philosophical belief that, as the only thing that can be absolutely demonstrated is that the thinker exists (because he is there to think about it), and the rest could be a complete hallucination, the thinker is the only thing that exists, up to even his body not existing and his being purely a thinking mind dreaming an incredibly detailed dream about a world that does not exist.

In brief, he is saying "you're not the only one around, and thus whose opinion matters".

 

[TheDungen]

Solipsism is the philosophical belief that, as the only thing that can be absolutely demonstrated is that the thinker exists (because he is there to think about it), and the rest could be a complete hallucination, the thinker is the only thing that exists, up to even his body not existing and his being purely a thinking mind dreaming an incredibly detailed dream about a world that does not exist.

In brief, he is saying "you're not the only one around, and thus whose opinion matters".

That's utter bull through, how can you be sure that you're the one thinking and not just a parrt observe in some determinsitic process. As nietzche put it "There is a limitation in our language that we have to say I'm thinking, while really all we can be sure is that thinking happens" or soemthing long those lines.

 

[WeissRaben]

That's utter bull through, how can you be sure that you're the one thinking and not just a parrt observe in some determinsitic process. As nietzche put it "There is a limitation in our language that we have to say I'm thinking, while really all we can be sure is that thinking happens" or soemthing long those lines.

I didn't say it isn't bullshit. I think there must be a point where you trace a line. But that is what solipsism is, regardless of what I think about it.

 

[TheDungen]

I didn't say it isn't bullshit. I think there must be a point where you trace a line. But that is what solipsism is, regardless of what I think about it.

I wasn't saying you were advocating it I just pointed out the flaw of the the whole cogito ergo sum argument. Mostly because I love that piece. Sadly I don't think I did it justice.

 

[BrotherJonathan]

Well, they DID say they made a thorough cleaning of the bugdatabase.

Not for Ironman, but regular saves will be still compatible (with randomly-generated rulers in new provinces).

Thanks for the news. Much appreciated.

 

[Zarathustra_the]

Is there a new way of scoping to units? if we have triggers that can be triggered from a unit doing something, is there someway to scope just to the triggering unit?

 

[richvh]

There is a unit_event used in one of the achievements. It's fired from the on_entering_port on_action.

We'll have to wait and see if further ways to scope to units will be added.

 

[DeltaV]

I'd like to see some sort of option to enable the DLC features for AI and not be able to play them. I don't do much in the steppe/Tengri region, so it'd be nice to play somewhere nearby and still get to observe and/or be affected by actual nomads even if I couldn't play them without the DLC.

 

[Zsrai]

That's usually how they work anyways, honestly. Like if you turn off The Republic, Merchant Republics are still a thing but you can't play as one. SoI patch still had Decadence, I believe. And so on.