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Has there been any thought given at all to possibly removing the date restriction for achievements? Some of us, I am sure, enjoy the idea of achievements but not all of us must like starting at 1444 every time (or 1776, for the USA one). I myself enjoy starting in the middle of the road, late 16th/early 17th century. I can't be alone in that, surely. Obviously don't go changing it for just one or two people, but if a sizable portion of folks are in favour of it, why not remove the date restriction and allow us to get achievements at any date?
 

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First of all, it is likely a game breaking loss for some small countries.

Secondly I do not demand every game mechanic be perfectly compensated. Thus your second statement was silly to the point of being absurd on the face of it.

Thirdly, if you think a 10 point swing in potential dipllo relations with another country is a minor difference then I doubt you have played the game very much and to the degree that you have played much at all, you likely do not play particularly challenging nations.

Absolutely nothing in your comment addressed the key point that making guaranteeing a matter of size further advantages the larger nations - the ones that some if not many of us find uninteresting - certainly after >2000 hours of eu4 I know I do.

So, if you're going to respond at least make a cogent comment that is relevant. Nothing that you wrote was.

And yes, making big nations even more advantaged over smaller is something they should compensate for because if the game becomes only about the big easy to play nations, it will very quickly become rather bland and unentertaining to play when you are tired of the easy nations and want to play the small and interesting ones and find that it's almost impossible to survive with many more of them due to more changes disadvantaging them.

The good news is that now that someone showed me how to use the ignore list, I shall apply it a second time.

I don't get it. You want challenge or not?
 

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Has there been any thought given at all to possibly removing the date restriction for achievements? Some of us, I am sure, enjoy the idea of achievements but not all of us must like starting at 1444 every time (or 1776, for the USA one). I myself enjoy starting in the middle of the road, late 16th/early 17th century. I can't be alone in that, surely. Obviously don't go changing it for just one or two people, but if a sizable portion of folks are in favour of it, why not remove the date restriction and allow us to get achievements at any date?

Couldn't agree more.
 

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The issue is that some of these achievements can be made insanely easy if you can start at any date, in CK2 you can start any date to get achievements and it makes it so achievements that should have taken hundreds of years of work are just a matter of loading that start
 

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Has there been any thought given at all to possibly removing the date restriction for achievements? Some of us, I am sure, enjoy the idea of achievements but not all of us must like starting at 1444 every time (or 1776, for the USA one). I myself enjoy starting in the middle of the road, late 16th/early 17th century. I can't be alone in that, surely. Obviously don't go changing it for just one or two people, but if a sizable portion of folks are in favour of it, why not remove the date restriction and allow us to get achievements at any date?

Too many potential problems with later setups to warrant supporting the small amount of games started on other bookmarks.
 

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Perhaps some more custom achievements specifically for later bookmarks then?

I wholeheartedly agree! AS a matter of fact, this might make more players realize that later start dates are in no way worse than the earliest one and are sometimes even more fun (in other words, those bookmarks and date selections might actually become worth making XD ).
 

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Has there been any thought given at all to possibly removing the date restriction for achievements? Some of us, I am sure, enjoy the idea of achievements but not all of us must like starting at 1444 every time (or 1776, for the USA one). I myself enjoy starting in the middle of the road, late 16th/early 17th century. I can't be alone in that, surely. Obviously don't go changing it for just one or two people, but if a sizable portion of folks are in favour of it, why not remove the date restriction and allow us to get achievements at any date?

When we make EU5 we will not waste time on any other starts than the GC start. With the metrics we have collected on eu4, basically ALL(99+%) games started are from earliest possible..
 
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Ofc they do. All the achievements (except 1) count ONLY if you start then.

If all the achievements counted only for another start date you'd see 99% of the game starts from that date only.

It's so f...ing obvious.
 

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When we make EU5 we will not waste time on any other starts than the GC start. With the metrics we have collected on eu4, basically ALL(99+%) games started are from earliest possible..

What are the metric for non-ironman games? The vast majority of games in ironman will be from 1444, as that's when the achievements are coded for. Furthermore, I expect most beginners will start in 1444 as it's the date first presented.
 

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What are the metric for non-ironman games? The vast majority of games in ironman will be from 1444, as that's when the achievements are coded for. Furthermore, I expect most beginners will start in 1444 as it's the date first presented.

I still play Ironman and i have almost all the achievements. And i have never played a game other than 1444 start.
 

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Ofc they do. All the achievements (except 1) count ONLY if you start then.

If all the achievements counted only for another start date you'd see 99% of the game starts from that date only.

It's so f...ing obvious.

This holds true even for non ironman games and has generally been true across all Paradox games. It's not about the achivements.
 

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I bet it doesn't for CK2 ;)

CK2 is probably affected by the fact that its earliest starts are tied to expansions, I'm pretty sure its post-1066 starts are equally unpopular to EU4 post 1444 starts. The general rule for our games is that almost everyone will start at whatever the earliest date they can play on is.
 

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Too many potential problems with later setups to warrant supporting the small amount of games started on other bookmarks.
- what about removing nation lock from certain achievements? Achievements like: Isn't this the way to India?; Azur semé de lis or; Basileus; One night in Paris; Definitely the Sultan of Rum; Jihad, could be much more interesting if were available to other countries from same cultural union, like for example make One night in Paris achievable by GB united as Scotland or Isn't this the way to India? for Spain united as Aragon, Portugal or Navarra etc etc.

CK2 is probably affected by the fact that its earliest starts are tied to expansions, I'm pretty sure its post-1066 starts are equally unpopular to EU4 post 1444 starts. The general rule for our games is that almost everyone will start at whatever the earliest date they can play on is.
- also pre-1066 start are terribly unbalanced and have half of the map covered with fantasy states.
 

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When we make EU5 we will not waste time on any other starts than the GC start. With the metrics we have collected on eu4, basically ALL(99+%) games started are from earliest possible..

Aw... I find this sad since I like the variation it gives with different layouts and what nots.

CK2 is probably affected by the fact that its earliest starts are tied to expansions, I'm pretty sure its post-1066 starts are equally unpopular to EU4 post 1444 starts. The general rule for our games is that almost everyone will start at whatever the earliest date they can play on is.

Really? I myself prefer later start dates since you see a lot of stuff that you don't/can't see with earlier start dates such as the Sicilian Vespers.
 

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When we make EU5 we will not waste time on any other starts than the GC start. With the metrics we have collected on eu4, basically ALL(99+%) games started are from earliest possible..
Will have to mod that back in then.