EU3 did not have EU4's OE mechanics. EU3 did not cost tons of arguably the most important resource you have. EU3's coring did not practically prevent you from taking any meaningful offensive action while waiting for stuff to core.
Patch 1.5 Coring times issue not addressed.
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EU3 did not have EU4's OE mechanics. EU3 did not cost tons of arguably the most important resource you have. EU3's coring did not practically prevent you from taking any meaningful offensive action while waiting for stuff to core.
In EU3, you never had OE. You only got a nasty modifier if cored provinces < uncored provinces. Easy to avoid once you're big enough.
In EU4, taking a total of 25 base tax worth of provinces gives you 100% OE, which gives MANY nasty effects, which wont go away for, in a lot of cases, 10+ years.
I never owned EU3 but if the EU4 expansion dynamics was like EU3's, I would not be that mad.
I don't understand what you mean. Coring times are an absurd timesink to encourage diplomatic expansion? Annexation times are even worse!
Here are the main effects, without the slider system modifiers. I was off, it seems.
'Have a core to province ratio lower than 50%
Have a core to province ratio lower than 66% AND a ruler with Administrave skill of 4 or 5
Have a core to province ratio lower than 75% AND a ruler with Administrave skill of 2 or 3
Have a core to province ratio lower than 85% AND a ruler with Administrave skill of 1'
And heres the modifier.
Global revolt risk +3
Minimum revolt risk +3
Stability cost +50%
This, for 50 years, more or less.
Now in EU4, you get this.
+5 Global revolt risk
-2 Diplomatic reputation
-1 Papal influence
+50% Mercenary cost
+50% Stability cost modifier
-100% Foreign trade power
For at maximum, 20 years. You cannot stop this. Whether you're a global empire with limitless resources, or an OPM conquering his neighbour, it's all the same.
Coring time is not an issue. However many times must it be pointed out that the size penalty on coring time drops until it's nearly nothing in the late game?
Which leaves an interim period of around 200 years of sitting on your hands, looking at your big, overextended blob.
You call this "sitting on my hands"?
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I went from Timurids -> Persia (now 1548 atm) and annexed most of my old neighbors. It is a huge amount of coring which has left me significantly behind in admin tech. But Persia is one of the strongest nations in the game (mind you its also a MP game) and my admin technology is catching up (note I have an admin idea as well), now that I have slowed down the expansion a bit.
Its been lots of fun.
No cheats, no mods. Just the coring mechanic from 1.4 which I believe is the same in 1.5.
I expect in the future I will have enough troops that I can use them to guard multiple provinces that have been annexed, while they are coring. Meaning I can annex more land in each war.
On a per province basis, they're better for big empires.
The most efficient method would be to use both to their limits since they operate on different caps.
In my current HRE game, coring a poor Serbian province takes 90 months. Oh and it costs 120 admin points, and the year is 1760. Did I mention that after I took some land from France, the costs were 300 admin points, and 120 months to core? Yeah, that game is pretty much over.
You call this "sitting on my hands"?
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I went from Timurids -> Persia (now 1548 atm) and annexed most of my old neighbors. It is a huge amount of coring which has left me significantly behind in admin tech. But Persia is one of the strongest nations in the game (mind you its also a MP game) and my admin technology is catching up (note I have an admin idea as well), now that I have slowed down the expansion a bit.
Its been lots of fun.
No cheats, no mods. Just the coring mechanic from 1.4 which I believe is the same in 1.5.
I expect in the future I will have enough troops that I can use them to guard multiple provinces that have been annexed, while they are coring. Meaning I can annex more land in each war.
The only way this isn't sitting on your hands is if you had to deal with other player interests restricting you, which admittedly is a very real possibility. For nations expanding east I'd probably coalition you instantly even as an Irish OPM, and declare on you whenever you got into a meaningful war with anybody else.
Honestly the best way to avoid coring mechanics right now is to reverse vassal feed. Basically as always become emperor (preferably as ottomans or Italy, I'm gonna go with ottoman example here). Pass everything up to and including Revoke. Add everything you own to the empire and release, everything to the point of owning only constantinople.
Now when you conquer provinces they will immediately become accepted culture, cutting coring time in half, with 93% coring reduction you should be able to core anything in about 9-10 months. Then use the new 1.5 mechanic and sell those provinces to vassals who will always accept since they gain a free core.
Now when you conquer provinces they will immediately become accepted culture, cutting coring time in half, with 93% coring reduction you should be able to core anything in about 9-10 months. Then use the new 1.5 mechanic and sell those provinces to vassals who will always accept since they gain a free core.
Yet PI's stated rationale for the lack of peacetime activities is that peace is an occasion for rest and recuperation between wars. So bearing in mind that constant warfare is implicit in PI's design, tell me what is its purpose if not the conquest of territory?
Most players are in Europe. Only Russia and the OE who border me are humans. For now they haven't stopped my expansion in the East (that is their choice).
Even if I am surrounded by players (and this happening in the future is likely, when the Europeans eventually arrive) I wont be sitting on my hands. There will still be lots of pvp to do.
Btw as a nation in Ireland, its unlikely you would be able to see me. Even if you did, I could still force you to surrender, via war score ticking. Unless you were actually winning the war.
Check out EUIV 1.0/1.1 coring times. You think 100 months is much? I got news for you; 100 months is nothing.
You're getting caught up in the semantics here. You're not getting my point. My point is that this is mediocre. Having to choose between what is bad and what is worse sounds like failure to me. So no, I don't take "comfort"that it used to be worse and that I should just shut up.
Like everyone else, I paid good honest money for this game and the add on packs and i want to get my money's worth. I want a working, stable game with rules that make sense. Right now, I am not getting what i bargained for.
Like everyone else, I paid good honest money for this game and the add on packs and i want to get my money's worth. I want a working, stable game with rules that make sense. Right now, I am not getting what i bargained for.
I, too, paid good honest money for this game and between September 24th and and January 14th it was utterly unplayable. Believe me, I know your pain. I got a month of a great, highly polished game that was completely changed without warning. I, too, was pretty damned pissed.
No, overextension is not fun. But there's not an easy solution to it. EUIV is a Hegelian dialectic. On the one hand, it is a mappainting game where you try to achieve global hegemony. On the other, you don't want to finally discover East Asia to discover it has all been conquered by Majapahit. On the one hand, it is a game about fighting your way to the top. On the other, you don't want expansion to be too easy.
I've seen what happens when Paradox takes drastic action to try to satisfy players. I do not want that to happen again. They have struck an okay balance right now. There are fairly short periods of boredom, but you can optimize your expansion around them so they don't happen too often or for too long.
The rules absolutely make sense. You/others not liking them because they inhibit free expansion does not equate to them not making sense. It takes time and effort to integrate the administration of new lands into the existing bureaucracy and as the bureaucracy grows it becomes more inefficient (thus the growing penalty for larger nations) while technological advances over time help alleviate this (the gradual elimination of said penalty). While I agree that the current system leaves something to be desired you can't truly say it makes no sense or that the game doesn't work or is unstable.
Personally, I'd have all penalties scale up as soon as you take any un-cored lands including the bad events (MTTH modifiers shorten it as your OE grows) rather than the current 25 base tax with only limited penalties before the real troubles can start model. I'd also tie in wrong culture, wrong religion, less advanced government, and so on like the Magna Mundi mod did in EU 3 to make the system more interesting than it currently is.
Are you kidding? There is nothing to do in Europa Universalis games other than to wage war.