Patch 1.4 Oak Live - Checksum 9b1f (Not for problem reports)
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Except that the event, no matter what happens, if I am looking at it right, ultimately only gives you the option of choosing either Himmler or Göring to replace him. If my choices are Himmler or Göring I might as well just stick to Hitler. Doesn't seem like much of a change to me. Nazism still in power.
And what were you expecting? It'd take more then one setback to stop Nazism, it's not like it's a magical spell cast by Hitler, that everyone in Germany would have just snapped out of it overnight.
The version on the Wiki says that there's three outcomes, and the chances are modified by warscore.
- If any war-score is > 39:
- If any war-score is < 39:
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True, but the poster asked for the possibility to do away with nazism and was replied with something to the effect of "this is already in the game" and I felt the need to point out that it isn't.
It is though, there's just a very small chance of the conspiracy being successful enough to start a civil war. Looks like usually Hitler will survive, or Hitler will die, but the plotters will all get slaughtered and the Nazis stay in control of the country.
Except that even if you get the "conspiracy succeeds and hitler is dead" option and you choose to side against Nazism you seem to get Himmler as leader of a democratic party. From the little I know of the Oster conspiracy this seems... strange. I don't know enough about the Oster conspiracy to know whether they would have wanted a fully democratic regime instead of national socialism but they did want to bring back Wilhelm II. It would fit better to get a non-aligned regime with Wilhelm II as leader rather than a Himmler-led democratic regime.
The way I read it is that there's three options, appoint Göring and appoint Himmler just change your leader. "Death to National Socialism" appoints Himmler leader of the NSDAP and changes the government to Zentrum.
So it shouldn't be making the democratic leader Himmler, if it is it sounds like a bug in the event. In the actual Oster conspiracy they apparently did want Wilhelm back, but I'm very skeptical of that actually going through, I doubt Wilhelm was very popular among even the portion of the German public who were anti-Nazi.
Is it that more unlikely than a Hungary based Austria-Hungary under Otto von Habsburg though?
Yes, because usually when you pull off a coup d'etat you don't want to be offering the public something worse then what they already have (from the perspective of Germans of the time).
Would Wilhelm have been brought back to rule or merely as head of state to reign ?
The UK is led by Baldwin, then Chamberlain, then either Churchill or Lord Halifax, but the heads of state were George V, Edward VIII, George VI.
Remove Hitler (dead), but NSDAP remains in control then maybe Himmler or Goring with 'even less legitimacy'.
If the conspiracy had succeeded it is uncertain who would have led the new government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oster_Conspiracy
If it were later then perhaps the dreaded Heydrich would have been Hitler's political heir ?
The UK is led by Baldwin, then Chamberlain, then either Churchill or Lord Halifax, but the heads of state were George V, Edward VIII, George VI.
Remove Hitler (dead), but NSDAP remains in control then maybe Himmler or Goring with 'even less legitimacy'.
If the conspiracy had succeeded it is uncertain who would have led the new government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oster_Conspiracy
If it were later then perhaps the dreaded Heydrich would have been Hitler's political heir ?
You would have thought Kordt or Weizsacker would have been more likely civilian heads of what, initially at least, was a military dictatorship. Popular support for the Kaiser in Germany was always going to be problematical given the pre-1933 strength of the SPD and KPD who were entirely hostile to him, and the attitude of Britain and France for whom he was still a bogeyman. I thik a credible centrist technocrat would have been far more likely than getting an old man back from Doorn whose son is a committed Nazi - what happens when he dies?
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Did the free DLC download with the 1.4 patch? Where/how do I download it, if not? Oh, wait, I think I found it on the startup screen, on the DLC tab.