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PARADOX BUFFING DENMARK CAN ONLY MEAN DENMARK IS PLANNING ON SWEARING ALLEGIANCE TO SWEDEN TO MAKE A NEW WORLD ORDER
On a more serious note do you think the new patch buffing denmark(and norway)and nerfing provience is going to be good or bad for the overall power shift of the game
 

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Sweden got at least two new provinces too. Possibly three, though not sure on the third. Denmark got 2 new provinces; Norway 3. Do don't see the balance of power in Scandinavia changing much.
 

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The sad part is that Cossacks was the secret denmark patch. so well Denmark was buffed not long ago.
I don't get you. Yes, Denmark got a little more development, but that was it. Around that time Sweden for instance got three new provinces; and she gets 2 or three new ones this patch too.
 
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I think it's going to make Denmark/Norway a bit stronger and put them in a better position to do something other than get eaten by Sweden, especially considering that the new land for Denmark and Norway is a lot harder for Sweden to get to between straits, Mountains, and the new wastelands for creating choke points.

I don't think Maine is a big enough influence to change the power in Western Europe. The Pyrenees wasteland will certainly make a difference for Spain/France though
 
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I think it's going to make Denmark/Norway a bit stronger and put them in a better position to do something other than get eaten by Sweden, especially considering that the new land for Denmark and Norway is a lot harder for Sweden to get to between straits, Mountains, and the new wastelands for creating choke points.

I don't think Maine is a big enough influence to change the power in Western Europe. The Pyrenees wasteland will certainly make a difference for Spain/France though
umm what wasteland i only heard about the baltics and provience
 

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Denmark has already been a lot more assertive in my games since the last expansion - and this is a good thing. It actually attempts Baltic expansion instead of allying OPM's and doing nothing until Sweden rebels and eats it.

As for the next patch - hard to say until we know what else is coming. I'm desperately hoping for a unique Kalmar government that lets you vote on a new monarch, reject the new monarch (and become the target of a restoration CB), alongside political themed events that could potentially lead up to the early unification. Moving the form Scandinavia decision to tech 20 was to stop the AI gimping itself, but players should still have had the decision.
 

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Denmark has already been a lot more assertive in my games since the last expansion - and this is a good thing. It actually attempts Baltic expansion instead of allying OPM's and doing nothing until Sweden rebels and eats it.

As for the next patch - hard to say until we know what else is coming. I'm desperately hoping for a unique Kalmar government that lets you vote on a new monarch, reject the new monarch (and become the target of a restoration CB), alongside political themed events that could potentially lead up to the early unification. Moving the form Scandinavia decision to tech 20 was to stop the AI gimping itself, but players should still have had the decision.
in my fast revoke somewhat exploit game as france the danes did eat some of novegard until i came along and the swedes took it
 

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I hope they're leaving in the option for it to be coloured. That looks awful to me, but I can understand why others like it.
They are, they just turned it off so you can see the wasteland more clearly.
 
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Sweden got at least two new provinces too. Possibly three, though not sure on the third. Denmark got 2 new provinces; Norway 3. Do don't see the balance of power in Scandinavia changing much.

I'd say there's a definite buff to Denmark and Norway here. Their development was increased as well.
The new Sami provinces and the old inland lappmark provinces now start with a lot of autonomy (as reasonably state control was very limited there) so I doubt Sweden can be said to have been buffed in 1444.
Removing the huge old province in the north of Finland which was adjacent to half of Scandinavia in itself was a priority though :)
 
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I'd say there's a definite buff to Denmark and Norway here. Their development was increased as well.
The new Sami provinces and the old inland lappmark provinces now start with a lot of autonomy (as reasonably state control was very limited there) so I doubt Sweden can be said to have been buffed in 1444.
Removing the huge old province in the north of Finland which was adjacent to half of Scandinavia in itself was a priority though :)
Oh I fully agree with having the Lapmarker split up, since they were really huge and clunky indeed. I just noted, somewhat facetiously, that the time Denmark and Norway finally got more provinces Sweden got too.:p
As you saw in the DD I thought that Sweden could use some more too; I just found it a bit funny that Sweden got some now given that she got some a short while ago too.
Also authonomy gets insignificant in something like 50 years at most, but that is more a problem with authonomy not having enough teeth. Also more development indeed is good; though it isn't everything, since you also need strategic depth. Both to be able to come back should you lose a battle or a province. But also to prevent being able to get annexed in one war, which was possible for Denmark previously---or at almost possible; can't remember exactly. Which as mentioned in my old thread also was one of the main reasons I wanted more island provinces---and still do---to force a would be conqueror to beat the fleet, like historically (belt freezing fluke aside, since that literally was a once in a millennium occurance). Though hopefully the added provinces in Jutland will do a lot, since due to the fort in Kolding you'll be able to regroup through Østjylland and Nordjylland and fall into Kolding. Assuming that the fort doesn't bug out and give one of those strange things that happen from time to time, where the enemy can bypass the fort as if it wasn't there.


Also did you rename the anachronistic Kolding to the historically correct Koldinghus?
 

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Sweden got at least two new provinces too. Possibly three, though not sure on the third. Denmark got 2 new provinces; Norway 3. Do don't see the balance of power in Scandinavia changing much.
Didn´t notice that Sweden got new provinces :) But sure, it´s nice that Scandinavia gets a bit of an overhaul...
The sad part is that Cossacks was the secret denmark patch. so well Denmark was buffed not long ago.
It was in need of a "buff", because it was underperfoming badly and pretty many users complained about DK being gobbled by Lubeck and Sweden every single time... So it´s not really a secret buff, it´s more like a balance...

I´m curious how this will affect the balance in Scandinavia... Since Sweden should be able to gain independence in most of the games
 

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Didn´t notice that Sweden got new provinces
I'ts that big Lapmark in northern Finland; it's been split in three. Completely justified too; just pointed out that Sweden got provinces too.

And yes hopefully we will see more historical behaviour where Denmark isn't rolled over really easy and can be annexed/all but annexed in one war.
Edit: Yep, the Alps confirmed.
Do you have a pic of it?
 

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The new wastelands look amazing, and should add much more strategic depth to European warfare. Hopefully there is an option to toggle on/off the new wasteland appearance though. Any word from devs on this?