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Appalachians? They are not that high.
They were limiting the spread of the English colonies though. Although granted part of that was Britain actively trying to keep the colonists out of native American lands. So not sure if it was all Britain or they also have some problematic to pass parts.
 

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They were limiting the spread of the English colonies though. Although granted part of that was Britain actively trying to keep the colonists out of native American lands. So not sure if it was all Britain or they also have some problematic to pass parts.
That was just a convenient border to use, the mountains don´t stop army from passing through. If they are a wasteland then you would a lot more in Europe and Asia to be consistent.
 
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Why would it necessarily be bad? Sure it might get severe hickups if the country is too big, but otherwise it worked fine in reality. It's just the people owning their own farms, so called free peasants, who actually were numerous in Scandinavia and made up their own estate, ruling instead of having somebody above them. That needn't be bad.

Though as mentioned if you grow considerably you might end up with what happened historically in Scandinavia in the viking ages, because with really large distances it becomes hard to have the peasants all meet up and decide/have their representatives meet up. Some large peasant ends up accruing power over some others thereby making him a "king" (in Scandinavia in the viking ages you were a king as soon as you had somebody to rule over; no matter how few). And then later these people gaining more subjects or having one of them raise above them all to become what would equal a king in game.


If we use the basic definition of a peasant:

a poor farmer of low social status who owns or rents a small piece of land for cultivation (chiefly in historical use or with reference to subsistence farming in poorer countries).

Peasants historically did not have proper education and were generally ignorant. They had a over-dependence on the Church as a way to soften the harsh realities of their lives. Peasants are exclusively rural people. If you lived in a town or a city you were either a freeman, a burgher-merchant, or a minor noble. Peasants living in rural areas means they are dispersed and unmobilized politically for mutual causes. Since they have no liege in this type of government, their role is to extract raw material and sell it to towns so that goods can be produced and then sold to cities or abroad through trade ports. The peasant lives a life of hard work, they have no time, energy, or the mental capacity to engage in ruling and long-term abstract thinking.

Regarding the leadership, leaders of peasant communities would be strongmen who lay down the law through fear and intimidation. Their henchmen are loyal based on personal appeal not on "laws". From these strong "elite" peasants, a leader is chosen to lead the so called peasant republic.

The political system in a peasant republic would resemble that of the caudillo era in Latin America. Local strongmen ruled fought each other over spoils. The public treasury and the private purse were mixed and corruption was rampant. Loyalty was on a personal basis and may disappear with a generation.

This is why I believe that a peasant republic should have a technology penalty but a production and tax bonus.
 
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I'm just hoping for an achievement for them.
And Early Revolution: "As a peasants republic, conquer all of The historical Soviet Union lands"

The Russian 1917 revolution was a proletariat revolution (workers of the world, unite! was the motto). The Chinese 1949 revolution was a peasant one.
 
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In the portuguese border with spain in Galícia, there was a land wich fell in a legal loopholle of 3 villages, the land of Couto misto. The governament was of a elder or the most competent villager being appointed.

Simpple

They would also be able to welcome runnaway politicians exiled from neighbour countries
 

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They were limiting the spread of the English colonies though. Although granted part of that was Britain actively trying to keep the colonists out of native American lands. So not sure if it was all Britain or they also have some problematic to pass parts.

Have you ever seen the Appalachians? They're just really, really big hills. Armies shouldn't have much of a problem crossing them, at best they might be slowed down.
 
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The Russian 1917 revolution was a proletariat revolution (workers of the world, unite! was the motto). The Chinese 1949 revolution was a peasant one.
I think conquering China as Dirhmarschen would be just as good of an achievement
 
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Real life logic isn't really compatible with in-game bonuses.

Bonuses are fun. Maluses are not.

My opinion; Keep real-life logic and happenings out of this. Especially no tech maluses or something.

Dithmarschens government is fine.
 
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Real life logic isn't really compatible with in-game bonuses.

Bonuses are fun. Maluses are not.

My opinion; Keep real-life logic and happenings out of this. Especially no tech maluses or something.

Dithmarschens government is fine.

Everything should have a negative side, especially if its realistic. Of all things, a peasant republic during the Late Middle Ages should have some negative attributes.
 
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Everything should have a negative side, especially if its realistic. Of all things, a peasant republic during the Late Middle Ages should have some negative attributes.
Their size and strategic position are negative enough in my opinion.
 
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They were limiting the spread of the English colonies though. Although granted part of that was Britain actively trying to keep the colonists out of native American lands. So not sure if it was all Britain or they also have some problematic to pass parts.

It was more the English than the Appalachians. Sure, they could cause some trouble, but the English actively stationing troops across the forts there were the primary reason the colonies didn't spread into the area so early.

Bonuses are fun. Maluses are not.

And yet Catholicism still has a penalty in its base bonuses.
 
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And yet Catholicism still has a penalty in its base bonuses.
Though it is a negative, doesn't always mean it's a malus. It fights against CoR conversion, and can slow it down if not downright stop it.
 
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The CoR conversion will still happen though, and you are then stuck with a high unrest province for 30 years.
Not necessarily. In my last Teutonic game I managed to stack tolerance of heretics low enough that I didn't have any conversion. I even took a province in the middle of conversion and it simply stopped progressing.
 
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Though it is a negative, doesn't always mean it's a malus. It fights against CoR conversion, and can slow it down if not downright stop it.

Inherently penalizing you to make a mechanic designed to convert your provinces and wreak internal havoc balanced is not fun, but is the equivalent stepping on your toes so you won't feel that blow to your head. And I prefer not being shoehorned into taking Religious from day one just because I want to stick as Catholic - the Humanist/Religious divide in regards to -Heretic Tolerance should take place at the Counter-Reformation, not from beginning. Yes, there are decisions to counteract it, but is anyone going to seriously take the penalty that comes with them when Reformed is a click away?
 
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but is anyone going to seriously take the penalty that comes with them when Reformed is a click away?
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It was more the English than the Appalachians. Sure, they could cause some trouble, but the English actively stationing troops across the forts there were the primary reason the colonies didn't spread into the area so early.
Well, more the natives (who tended to get upset about settlers setting up shop on their hunting lands), the isolation (starvation was a real problem when you have few neighbors to rely on, especially since it was the tail-end of the Little Ice Age), the land quality (the Appalachians themselves are basically hills, which limits how much farming you can do; there's a reason plantation agriculture never took off in Appalachia, unlike much of the rest of the South on either side of the mountains, and past it you had fairly dense forests that had to be cleared), and transportation (the mountains mean you have to deal with waterfalls, which make it a pain to ship things by water, and shipping by land is always going to be slower and more expensive before the invention of the railroad). All that can be reflected by the land being poorer, not impassible.

Armies did cross the mountains, after all: Braddock's expedition and later expeditions against Fort Duquesne, along with the various other conflicts in the Ohio Valley all involved armies from the East Coast crossing the mountains to launch an offensive (and note that, getting back to the dense forests aspect, the route that Braddock cleared later became a major federal road, and later an interstate highway). By the time of the Civil War, you see multiple campaigns fought in the Appalachians (for example, the Western Virginia Campaign, which saw an army from Ohio fight an army from Virginia over control of what would become West Virginia).

The Rockies (much taller and more dangerous) clearly were a barrier, but they are mostly wasteland already.
 
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there's a reason plantation agriculture never took off in Appalachia, unlike much of the rest of the South on either side of the mountains
Totally off topic but the south really isn't known for its agriculture. It was known for its cash crops antebellum such as tobacco, cotton, and indigo but these were a few large plantations. The high amounts of swampland, poor soil quality, and low populations really made for few substance farmers.
 
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