Patch 1.16 - FULL patchnotes

[Adrianople]

I was really hoping for a linguistics option for the cultures, in order for people who want realism over the "the Finns are in Scandinavia, so they should be Nordic!" idea. Scandinavians speak North Germanic (i.e. Nordic) languages. Finns speak Suomi, a Finno-Ugric language. It's like splitting up American and English culture because they are divided by continent. It does not add up, and it is silly. I end my sad attempt to change something that won't be changed.

 

[Palaiologos]

Well its pretty weird that Turkish and Azeri are in different culture groups.......
You know that they speak the same language right?

Truth is that while the original Seljuk Turks kept their Altaic traditions, the Ottoman Turks, represented by the "Turkish" culture in the game, were essentially Byzantified Turks, seen as different by their Azeri/altaic cousins. Indeed in mid-Ottoman times the connotation "Turk" was used derogatively, reffering to the uneducated semi-barbaric villager of eastern Anatolia, instead of the proper Ottoman of the Asia minor coast and the European possesions.

 

[Simoleum]

Still think the new culture group changes are terrible ideas, but everything else seems interesting and cool!

 

[EccentricJoe]

so paradox...instead of fixing the elephant in the room which is ZoC on forts....you just forced everyone to have an elephant....ok sure.

 

[Viperswhip]

Basically the free features bum me out, won't be moving from my previous patch play. Still, I may end up buying the DLC just to test it in observer mode, but will wait for a sale for that.

 

[Bella Gerant]

Huh, Korea in the Manchuria region. I'm...

actually quite confused. They have shared history, sure, but we're not including Italy into the German region. If we're talking about size, Korea's bigger than Italy (85,270 mi² vs 50,709 mi²) so I mean...

The east is already weird and bit a neglected but this, along with the Miao into Chinese culture thing, really doesn't make much sense.

 

[Furion Matsuya]

What do you actually do with slaves?

Why that's easy you beat them, skin them and eat them.

 

[TheRedComrade]

WOOHOO! Mare Nostrum Finally!

 

[Artess]

Remember: The revision is a mild nerf to early-game Russian states who haven't finished conquering the other Russians, no nerf at all to Russia, and a noticeable nerf to outsiders that conquer Russian clay.

So it may be in terms of gameplay, but as a member of the Russian culture myself, I find it incredibly strange how Muscovite, Novgorodian and Ryazanian cultures are considered to have the same level of diversity as English, Scottish and Welsh, or Castilian, Portuguese and Basque, or Danish, Swedish and Norwegian. I'm no historian (though I did bother to do some research before posting this), but while there certainly were noticeable differences, they were hardly as drastic.

 

[Jorlem]

So, how would you make them worth it?

I use a mod to cut the cost and maintenance to 1/4 the vanilla amounts, and turn off the AI cheat. That seems to make them worth using, at least to me.

 

[adriankowaty]

My first preordered Paradox product. Bought on the day of release.

 

[hashinshin]

I use a mod to cut the cost and maintenance to 1/4 the vanilla amounts, and turn off the AI cheat. That seems to make them worth using, at least to me.

Forts are for people that lose. Players don't like to lose. Players won't use forts because EU4 is just map painting against AI. Against humans forts are invaluable. There's a fundamental disconnect.

 

[Karlingid]

Overall nothing too crazy but I'm happy to see Shamanist religion gone. It was a pointless relic of a pre-1.4 era (when it also encompassed north america) and less than a dozen primitive states had it by 1.15 (three kongolese, five siberian, some other minor). It was useless, and fetishist has much cooler bonus anyway.



"Oghuz Culture Group removed. Azeri culture is now in the Iranian group, Turkmen culture is in the Altaic group and Turkish culture moved to the Levantine [Arabian] Group."

I guess devs decided to sacrifice realism on the altar of balance, so now Ottomans are in the same group as the areas they usually conquer (Syria, Egypt) while Azeri/Iranian people are in the same group so whether one of them conquers another they have it easier to maintain an empire.
Also, I don't know much about Azeri history, but while I recall Azeri people are linguistically and genetically close to Turks, weren't they historically almost always closer to Iranian states? (Ottoman empire contained Azerbeijan only very briefly) Anyway they seemed for me to share huge part of heritage with Iranians. So Paradox decision isn't that crazy.

Yes they are. Ottomans don't need that extra strength.

 

[Streichquartett]

Where's the Evangelical Major Unit Pack?

I hope they'll be releasing it soon, I can't bare looking at the old french tier four anymore. Gime some good looking frenchmen!

 

[Dakka]

Where's the Evangelical Major Unit Pack?

I hope they'll be releasing it soon, I can't bare looking at the old french tier four anymore. Gime some good looking frenchmen!

I want to know too. My hope is it is a free 'link your account' pack like Catholic majors

 

[Streichquartett]

I want to know too. My hope is it is a free 'link your account' pack like Catholic majors

Yeah, that's what I'm also hoping for... Fingers crossed!

 

[Ninaran]

So, maybe it's because I'm missing experience and expertise in this game, but why exactly is France, of all nations, getting a buff? They almost constantly eat into AI Iberia unless they get a really unlucky diplomatic situation. And whenever I play in the region, France is the super endboss.

 

[Dakka]

So, maybe it's because I'm missing experience and expertise in this game, but why exactly is France of all nations getting a buff? They almost constantly eat into AI Iberia unless they get a really unlucky diplomatic situation. And whenever I play in the region, France is the super endboss.

Not endbossy enough.

I was actually hoping for a Castile buff. I miss seeing Spain being a thing.

 

[Boodas]

- Fixed bug in which some old AI army size management would trigger for armies loaded on ships, promptly resulting in newly created units being drowned.

 

[Streichquartett]

So, maybe it's because I'm missing experience and expertise in this game, but why exactly is France, of all nations, getting a buff? They almost constantly eat into AI Iberia unless they get a really unlucky diplomatic situation. And whenever I play in the region, France is the super endboss.

Good point, France makes the game rather unpleasant since 1.15. I almost never see a strong Spain or Austria nowadays, France always end being all over Europe. People saying that's it's actually historically accurate sometimes forget that Austria and Spain were united by the Habsburg, and were by that, one.