Partition of Poland

[chaserockstar]

The Partition of Poland is another historical event not emphasized enough in game that had a heavy impact on the development of modern Europe. I recommend that developers add some special Partition of Poland event chains for Prussia, Austria, and Russia, and/or expand the partition missions already in place.

 

[wingren013]

Because it wasn't an inevitable event or something with a high probability to happen i.e. Iberian wedding, Netherlands revolt, reformation. If it was agenereic event that could happen to a large nation with large enemy neighbors that could work though. So a partition of france event could fire which would automatically call everyone who rivaled framce and neighbors them and then they could get -50% province cost. Same thing could potentially happen to austria or poland, basically any large nation

 

[thegreatuniter]

There is an prussian mission already in the game. However, it requires Poland (not the commonwealth) to border Russia, which never happens.

 

[chaserockstar]

Because it wasn't an inevitable event or something with a high probability to happen i.e. Iberian wedding, Netherlands revolt, reformation. If it was agenereic event that could happen to a large nation with large enemy neighbors that could work though. So a partition of france event could fire which would automatically call everyone who rivaled framce and neighbors them and then they could get -50% province cost. Same thing could potentially happen to austria or poland, basically any large nation

Actually, by 1790, it was heavily probable and inevitable. By the late 18th century Russia, Prussia, and Austria saw Poland's weakness and plotted to strike. For Poland, at that time had already been in a period of decay for two centuries, and therefore its partition by other powers was inevitable.

 

[AmbroStoics]

The game is heavily railroaded, so we have a lot of events that could've been avoided by pure change but are often "forced" on us. Mostly the ones that have to do with PUs, like all of Austria's stuff in Bohemia and Hungary as well as the Burgundian inheritance. Heck the Franch revolution could've been avoided and I've barely seen it ever fire in game, because France ususally doesn't meet the criteria or easily puts the revolution down.

IMO, events could be implemented, for all neighboring states to get claims (even cores?) on border provinces, if Poland/PLC meets certain criteria.

 

[moscal]

Each country should be able to be partitioned.

General conditions? State big, anarchy and weak monarch.

 

[niallmcfc]

Each country should be able to be partitioned.

General conditions? State big, anarchy and weak monarch.

+Republic or constitutional government. It wasn't anarchy that killed Poland, it was corruption in the Sejm

Which brings me to another point about the OP. Said event would need Poland to have elective Monarchy, and they do not make it to the end of the game with that much anymore.

 

[moscal]

+Republic or constitutional government. It wasn't anarchy that killed Poland, it was corruption in the Sejm

Which brings me to another point about the OP. Said event would need Poland to have elective Monarchy, and they do not make it to the end of the game with that much anymore.

Idea Partition of PLC existed before the real partitions act.

In Poland is a proverb "Polska nierządem stoi" (Poland exists thanks to harlotry). Degradation mechanisms of state was great. Sejm was nothing he could do, because "Liberum Veto" (law must be adopted unanimously - 100% for "yes"). Country did not have an army (ok, ok - ~10k soldiers) and good leaders. That is why PLC was partitioned in the eighteenth century and not before (earlier - spirit was strong).

Pawel Jasienica writes a lot about it in "Polish Anarchy" (pol. Polska Anarchia; rus. Польский Анархия). Very good book.

 

[ozyhuboi]

I think this is a real touchy subject that while this is historical, it should really also have a reasonable chance of occurring to any nation, but at the same time would be extremely overpowered. Perhaps it would take some very specific flags and conditions to occur as mentioned above, with slightly being easier to happen for Poland/Commonwealth if they still have elective monarchy. The question is what those specific conditions would be, and if such conditions could apply for any large nation, say of greater than 20 provinces.

 

[leadshooter69]

Maybe it could be made into a disaster for a weak late game PLC(or maybe any large European nation) that grants claims to neighbors?

 

[Martin_Mortyry]

Thing about partitions is - the Commonwealth, once formed, is very rarely weak enough in the game. In reality it was mainly caused by sejm and incompetent monarchs, such as Stanisław Poniatowski, and also all the reasons previously mentioned in the thread. Personally, I wouldn't touch the subject until we get the sejm mechanics for Poland.

 

[Don_Munda]

It seems to me that these circumstances could be generalized in game to allow a partition to happen to any country. The way I see it, the "internal conflicts" disaster could provide "Partition War" CB's to rivals bordering the country with Internal conflicts, provided that there are a) at least two rivals with a direct border to the country and b) at least two of these rivals have positive opinions of one another and maybe c) at least one rank of administrative efficiency has been unlocked. The way I envision it, once one of the rivals started the partition war, it would automatically give a call to arms to the other countries with the CB, and if none joined, the war would end with the CB declared invalid?

 

[Woifee]

If I start 1444 as a neighboring Nation in the late 18. Century usually nothing of Poland is left to seperate. Prussia never came to existence and Russia may still be Muscowy.

These Events or Missions should exist if I start in 18. Century. Raiproading over Centuries hardly work.

 

[grommile]

There are both events and missions relating to the factors underlying the Partitions of Poland.

They just never show up, because the game progresses in ways that do not allow the historical situation to occur.

 

[Vaximillian]

rus. Польский Анархия).

Actually, it's „Польская анархия“ in Russian, as anarchy is feminine.

 

[moscal]

Actually, it's „Польская анархия“ in Russian, as anarchy is feminine.

Yes - literal error. I am writing too fast )

 

[Woifee]

What about handling it similar to a coalation.

In diplomatic menu you can allie with a few others, everybody say before what provinces he wants to have and if they win they exactly get that.

To trigger such a coalation the target has to be instabil and and go some crisis.

 

[Mattius]

I'd like it to be similar to the Shadow Kingdom events somehow. It gives you an objective to complete by a time or something will happen.