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Lt_Calley said:
Taiwan being treated as a Japanese home province in the 1936 scenario was specifically mentioned.

Taiwan was more Japanese than Chinese in 1936. It was taken over in 1895 before it was even integrated into China. I've got no trouble with that or Korea treated as home provinces of Japan in 1936, since that's essentially what they were. Nice try in defending a totalitarian government's actions, though.
 

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Taiwan was more Japanese than Chinese in 1936. It was taken over in 1895 before it was even integrated into China. I've got no trouble with that or Korea treated as home provinces of Japan in 1936, since that's essentially what they were. Nice try in defending a totalitarian government's actions, though.

I guess I'll have to try harder this time. :rolleyes:
I believe the Japanese had crushed Taiwanese resistance to Japan by 1936, but Korea was a different story. It was possible to "integrate" Korean resources and factories but not the people. According to an official US government source, (The US government wouldn't lie to us, would it? ;) ) "Kim Il Sung became a major communist guerrilla leader in the north. He waged an aggressive style of warfare by ambushing Japanese patrols. Right wing resistance groups also contested foreign exploitation. Syngman Rhee fled imprisonment and he publicized Korea's plight before world leaders in order to bring about international pressure on Japan. Korea became a land of absolutes where one resisted the Japanese or became their victim."

http://www.nps.gov/kwvm/war/resistance.htm
 

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The HoI1 way was so unrealistic to treat occupied Chinese territory as Japanese home territory that it was actually banned by the Chinese government. I doubt I'd want to buy HoI2 if it suffers from the same blatant historical flaw.

I think you and Red China may be holding Hearts of Iron to an unrealistically high standard in terms of accuracy. Would you, for instance, ban or boycott Axis & Allies because it treats the Chinese interior as American territory? At least HoI is several steps up from that :p . It's a game, almost certainly the best WW2 strategy game of such enormous scope, but being a game certain abstractions and simplifications must be made.

Now, I think China was unrealistically easy to trample as Japan in HoI, but that was mostly due to limitations of the AI system and the lack of any easy way to model insurgency... I certainly hope China proves a tougher opponent in HoI2 (ideally an historically accurate pit of quicksand sinking Japanese men and materiel) and, judging from the increased number of provinces and the new partisan feature, I think it may be--if it isn't, patching and modding can fix that. :)
 

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Lt_Calley said:
I guess I'll have to try harder this time. :rolleyes:
I believe the Japanese had crushed Taiwanese resistance to Japan by 1936, but Korea was a different story. It was possible to "integrate" Korean resources and factories but not the people. According to an official US government source, (The US government wouldn't lie to us, would it? ;) ) "Kim Il Sung became a major communist guerrilla leader in the north. He waged an aggressive style of warfare by ambushing Japanese patrols. Right wing resistance groups also contested foreign exploitation. Syngman Rhee fled imprisonment and he publicized Korea's plight before world leaders in order to bring about international pressure on Japan. Korea became a land of absolutes where one resisted the Japanese or became their victim."

http://www.nps.gov/kwvm/war/resistance.htm

The National Park Service, eh? Interesting that they would lionize a man who started the Korean War and kept his people down for four decades. Kim Il Sung did his anti-Japanese stuff in Manchuria and he was probably not even as effective there as the French resistance was in France. There was essentially no guerrilla activity in Korea proper during 1936-45. There were plenty of collaborators, however, and quite a few Koreans served in the Japanese military, not least Park Chung Hee, future South Korean president-for-life.
 

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The National Park Service, eh? Interesting that they would lionize a man who started the Korean War and kept his people down for four decades. Kim Il Sung did his anti-Japanese stuff in Manchuria and he was probably not even as effective there as the French resistance was in France. There was essentially no guerrilla activity in Korea proper during 1936-45. There were plenty of collaborators, however, and quite a few Koreans served in the Japanese military, not least Park Chung Hee, future South Korean president-for-life.

Yes, Koreans were conscripted into the Japanese military. They were also known to be the most violent, and brutal prison guards to the allied POW's who were unfortunate enough to meet them.
 

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I don't think there is much evidence that the Japanese faced much difficulty in Korea with guerillas at least after 1936. The partisans were confined to a small number of bands operating in Manchuria or along the Sino-Manchurian borders. There was resistance to Japanese rule in Korea as there was in Taiwan and the Kwantung peninsular, but again this is true for all of the colonial powers. The Japanese were probably more brutal than others but then again you have the Soviets...
Anyway it makes little sense historically to have large numbers of Partisans in Korea or Taiwan.
 

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Kim Il Sung became a major communist guerrilla leader in the north. He waged an aggressive style of warfare by ambushing Japanese patrols.

oh please his name was Kim Sung Ju.He adopted the name of a famous resistance leader of the 1900s in the 1930s ass with most of the Great Leaders history a tissue of lies and deception.The US intelligence file on Kim Il Sung states - "Faced with the threat of extinction by the Japanese, the Soviets detained Kim Il Sung and his band of guerrillas of about 25 men Kim Il Sung, long time Communist, who made their way North and into the Soviet Maritime Province. After verifying their political and military backgrounds, the Soviets established these people in a training camp at YASHKI Station, in the general area of KHABAROVSK. Here and later at RARARASH, near the junction of the USSR-Korea and Manchurian frontiers these Koreans were trained in espionage, radio communications, sabotage and general military subjects. From 1941-45, these people were utilized by the Soviets as agents in MANCHURIA. In the spring of 1945, in addition to normal political training, they were briefed on KOREA and Korean politics."


At the height Kim had 300 partisans most operations were in Manchuria under Chinese direction.Most of his original cadre and leaders became increasingly upset with him and defected often to the Japanese and then gleefully leasding them to his hideouts thus the move to Russia there was lack of popular support neded for partisan resistance.Most peasents saw him as a bandit.Compare this to the pro Japanese Korean forces fighting the resistance under Colonel Kim Sok Won who in 1948 became commander of South Korean border forces and close confidant of President Rhee.

History is as always a lot more complicated than ther broad good guy bad guy stripes that many like to paint.
 

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Sorry to interupt the OT thread that grew up here but jumping back to the original question about partisans in occupied China.............

I remember reading a Beta tester saying that he noticed that Japan was having to pull so many units off the front line to deal with Partisans that they were not getting very far into China at all! Don't know why this is happening as I am no Beta but just another example of Paradox getting this game right!

Hope this satisfies the original question........ so now go order the game! :D

Cheers,
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Duritz said:
Sorry to interupt the OT thread that grew up here but jumping back to the original question about partisans in occupied China.............

I remember reading a Beta tester saying that he noticed that Japan was having to pull so many units off the front line to deal with Partisans that they were not getting very far into China at all! Don't know why this is happening as I am no Beta but just another example of Paradox getting this game right!

Hope this satisfies the original question........ so now go order the game! :D

Cheers,
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It doesn't satisfy the original question because we don't know if it applies only to provinces the Japanese take from China when starting in 1936. Maybe it doesn't apply to Japanese-controlled Chinese provinces with which they start the game in the 1939 scenario, which is the one I would play most often.
 

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Lt_Calley said:
It doesn't satisfy the original question because we don't know if it applies only to provinces the Japanese take from China when starting in 1936. Maybe it doesn't apply to Japanese-controlled Chinese provinces with which they start the game in the 1939 scenario, which is the one I would play most often.

I've checked where I saw it and it was the Beta game played as France in the 1936 scenario. I'd say there's only one way you're going to find out. Buy it and if it isn't how you want it - then MOD!

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Lt_Calley said:
I guess I'll have to try harder this time. :rolleyes:
I believe the Japanese had crushed Taiwanese resistance to Japan by 1936, but Korea was a different story. It was possible to "integrate" Korean resources and factories but not the people. According to an official US government source, (The US government wouldn't lie to us, would it? ;) ) "Kim Il Sung became a major communist guerrilla leader in the north. He waged an aggressive style of warfare by ambushing Japanese patrols. Right wing resistance groups also contested foreign exploitation. Syngman Rhee fled imprisonment and he publicized Korea's plight before world leaders in order to bring about international pressure on Japan. Korea became a land of absolutes where one resisted the Japanese or became their victim."

http://www.nps.gov/kwvm/war/resistance.htm
Korea was internationally recognised territory belonging to Japan from 1910 on. It was completely under their control. Who do you suggest giving it to?
 

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kucing said:
IIRC, HoI is banned because Sinkiang is not part of China. And not buying the game just because of that reason is absurd.

IIRC, HoI is banned, because Mao is no lvl 10 Air, Land and Sea Field Marshall with all possible traits, except Old Guard.
 

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HOI 1 didn't model insurgency and resistance movements? Then why did annexed territory only give you like 20% of its IC and resources? I would say that models it at a very high level of abstraction. So now that HOI2 DOES have partisanship, do you get a large percentage of the IC and resources, subject to being reduced by partisan activity? That would seem to be fairer.
 

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It doesn't satisfy the original question because we don't know if it applies only to provinces the Japanese take from China when starting in 1936. Maybe it doesn't apply to Japanese-controlled Chinese provinces with which they start the game in the 1939 scenario, which is the one I would play most often.

Regarding the original question I can assure you that you have no need to worry.

You can read more about how partisans work here:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3704228&postcount=19

I would also you like to advise you not to put too much faith in official Chinese statements...
 

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HOI 1 didn't model insurgency and resistance movements? Then why did annexed territory only give you like 20% of its IC and resources?
The Chinese provinces that Japan owned at the start of the 1939 scenario in HOI 1 gave 100% of their IC and resources.
 

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Placeholder said:
The Chinese provinces that Japan owned at the start of the 1939 scenario in HOI 1 gave 100% of their IC and resources.
It was probably more a question of gamebalance in that case. It also depends on what provinces you are talking about in HoI2, all provinces or any provinces. Taiwan could be expected to provide full IC while say Beiping wouldn't be.
 

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CommanderCody said:
Taiwan was more Japanese than Chinese in 1936. It was taken over in 1895 before it was even integrated into China. I've got no trouble with that or Korea treated as home provinces of Japan in 1936, since that's essentially what they were. Nice try in defending a totalitarian government's actions, though.
There are few misconceptions here, that could use straightening out.

Tawian was home (ie: core) provinces of Japan in HOI.

Korea WAS NOT, neither was Manchuria.

Manchuria and Taiwan was core territory of Chinese factions, albeit only after some patches.

I guess it hasn't changed much in HOI 2, although i do not have it so i don't know.



The new partisan feature, i have no idea how it would work. I heard that annexation reduces it (strange... really, annexing things in Europe didn't change a squat for Germany), i suppose core teritory means there are no partisans. OTOH, France didn't have any in beta AAR, only production decrease.

So i cannot answer the orginal question (which was if there will be partisans in Japanese-owned Manchuria, and not some silly stuff about PRC policy). Although if there is a difference, it will be between Japan 1936 possesions, and 1939 occupied territories will be treated as they were conquered during the game, and thus having partisans.

Placeholder said:
The Chinese provinces that Japan owned at the start of the 1939 scenario in HOI 1 gave 100% of their IC and resources.
Its not true. Taiwan did, but certainly not Manchuria, and IIRC also not Korea, not to mention China conquered provinces. Or are you playing 1.00 version???


EDIT/ Read Peter's explanation about annexation effects. Seems more complicated that i heard before.
 

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I find it funny and ironic that those who criticize China's political action on HoI, base their defense of HoI/HoI2's partisan status on nothing more substantive than political beefs (It's a case of political hacks being scared by historical reality, I am certain that having Tibet independent really stuck in their craw, the Chinese will ban anything that so much as mentions the country, etc). Let's keep this focused on facts people.

Here are the facts:

>I don't believe, due to game mechanics, the Japanese even drew manpower from Taiwan, did they?

Actually yes the Japanese were able to draw manpower for military forces from Taiwan. For instance the ex-President of the ROC's brother died fighting the US forces in the Pacific while in IJA uniform. So in game terms, Japan should be able to draw manpower from Taiwan. Presumably this makes Taiwan a national Japanese province in game terms. Partisans should not appear in Taiwan. To the extent that national "claims" exist, China should have a claim on Taiwan.

>Korea was a different story

True. Korea was occupied by Japan 12 years later than Taiwan, and thus Japan was a bit later in the process of "Japan-izing" it. Japan was able to draw manpower from Korea but the reliability of such manpower was suspect, best for the use of construction units, internal security and the like. Moreover a significant portion of the Korean guerilla strength fled into China and continued to fight along side Chinese Communist units right up until 1949. Recently released documents put ethnic Korean force strength in the PLA at upwards of 50K, easily warranting multiple divisional level units in game terms. Probably the best way to handle this in game terms is to give the Chinese Communists an event sometime in the late 30's/early 40's where they pick up an extra division. I wouldn't let Japan draw manpower from Korea. But no partisans in Korea either - the assumption is that whatever manpower Japan was able to get from Korea is used for internal (Korean pennisula) security purposes. China should not have a claim on Korea.

Tibet - should be a separate country, allied to China with China having a claim on it. If vassalage status exists, Tibet should be a vassal to China. No partisans unless someone occupies Tibet.

Sinkiang/Xinjiang - separate country, China has a claim on it. Better yet however if it is a faction within China. Make the faction hostile to the Nationalists at game start. No partisans unless occupied.

Manchuria - separate country, own force structure, allied and a vassal to Japan. China has a claim on it. No partisans, no matter who (USSR, China or Japan) occupies it. Actually an argument can be made for pro-Chinese partisans, but actual activity here does not warrant it in game terms.

Rest of Japanese occupied mainland China - full partisan activity. No distinction between territory that Japan occupied after 1936 vs. territory that it occupies outside of Manchuria/Taiwan prior to 1936. Japan can not draw manpower from this territory and China has a claim on pre-1936 occupied provinces. All of that territory was occupied by Japan no earlier than 1932, hence the "Japan-ization" effort in these areas was nascent at best. I don't know how the game handles PLA recruitment, but if it is area based and includes enemy occupied areas, then these pre-1936 occupied provinces should be considered fully eligble for PLA recruitment.

Frankly if all these items were modeled properly, the chance of the game being banned in China is very low.
 

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MacroEconomics said:
(It's a case of political hacks being scared by historical reality, I am certain that having Tibet independent really stuck in their craw, the Chinese will ban anything that so much as mentions the country, etc)
Tibet being independant and playable is the exact reason for the game being banned, wether you like it or not. A football game was recently banned for the same reason, you could play Tibet. Of course there are other reasons as well.

EDIT: See http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-05/29/content_334845.htm for the original story.

Frankly if all these items were modeled properly, the chance of the game being banned in China is very low.
Since China is even more fractured in HOI2 then in HOI, and concidering the recent anti-secession law, i am fairly certain that the game will be banned.
 
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