Paradox: Why was this left out?

[Earl Uhtred]

Originally posted by shimgray
Does anyone have the numbers from WWI, incidentally? It strikes me that, proportionally, the "lower-upper/upper-middle" classes - essentially the reasonably well-off, well-educated people who provided junior officer material - would suffer in even greater proportion; certainly that's the impression I've got with regards to the UK. Remeber all those estimates measuring the life-expectancy of a subaltern in, well, days...

True, I'm sure. You only need to step into any public school's chapel and read the Roll of Honour.

That said, it's not hard to find war memorials out in the country recording stupendous casualties, sometimes more able-bodied men than you'd expect to find in a single village generation.

Sigh.

 

[unmerged(13292)]

I really can't understand why is this topic surfacing all the time. Imaging people using a game to "realize" their dreams about ethnic "modification" of a region makes me sick.

Well you do have to realize it is just a game after all. You really shouldn't let it get to you so much.

 

[shimgray]

Originally posted by whyamihere
A quick link throws up little. You may be right about proportions (in raw figures the working class suffered more), although I'm not convinced.

Yeah; it's something I remembered as a little factoid from somewhere, but I don't think I have much in the way of references (other than anecdotally) either side. I'll flick through the bookshelves.

Originally posted by whyamihere
Either way, this certainly wasn't the case in countries such as Russia, and pre-WW1 not the case in Britain either.

Hmm. I now have Kipling running through my head -

...and two thousand pounds of education
drops to a ten-rupee jezail

Of course, as I understand Victoria - I haven't played it yet, that's next week's task <g> - pops represent the "supply population" rather than the total of the population - soldier POPs are the population from which the army is drawn, as opposed to the soldiers. This'd suggest that once you start damaging the "normal POPs", the situation is probably drastic enough to actually be severely impacting your demographics...

 

[Wämö]

Originally posted by shimgray
Does anyone have the numbers from WWI, incidentally? It strikes me that, proportionally, the "lower-upper/upper-middle" classes - essentially the reasonably well-off, well-educated people who provided junior officer material - would suffer in even greater proportion; certainly that's the impression I've got with regards to the UK. Remeber all those estimates measuring the life-expectancy of a subaltern in, well, days...

That said, I'm sure many voluminous books have been published on this. I just don't happen to have any <g>

I have a list with the losses:

Belgium 13.716 - 44.686
Bulgaria 87.500 - 152.390
France 1.375.800 - 4.266.000
Greece 5.000 - 21.000
Italy 650.000 - 947.000
Montenegro 3.000 - 10.000
Portugal 7.222 - 13.751
Romania 335.706 - 120.000
Russia 1.700.000 - 4.950.000
Serbia 45.000 - 133.148
Uniteed Kingdom 908.371 - 2.090.212
Turkey 325.000 - 400.000
Germany 1.773.700 - 4.216.058
USA 126.000 - 234.300
Austria-Hungary 1.200.000 - 3.620.000

 

[unmerged(12680)]

Originally posted by Finnish Dragon
If that is possible it should also drastically increase the possibility of mutiny by the troops from unwanted cultures. If you use up the unwanted cultures you may have two enemies; your original enemy and mutinous troops.

1. Your soldier POPs never actually marsch to war, they simply get paid, never work, and breed anonymous "manpower", which can then be used to create troops of any culture in you empire.
So those minorties should hardly complain about being transformed into soldiers, as the finished troops will most likely be of an accepted majority culture anyway! (It's up to you to chose their home provice and thus their culture.)

2. Battle losses doesn't have ANY effect on your soldier POPs, so you could lose 100 million divisions and it wouldn't lower your population one bit. So any plan to marsch you minority cultures of to a gruesome death in battle is sort of stillborn...

3. Is there any way that the minority culture POPs can "know" that their culture is a specific target for transformation into soldier POPs and thus death in battle? As I haven't seen anything implying that I guess they wouldn't really care... And like I said, soldier POP culture doesn't in any way effect actual troop culture.

In short: No.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Soooo... you have total control over each new unit's home province with no penalties whatsoever? Is there any good reason not to choose your own core territory / ethnicity every time?

 

[Stingray]

I think forces will accually die once you use mobilised divisions. But I'm not sure.

 

[Syt]

Contrary to what I said, POPs do lose people when soldiers in the field die. o

However, since it's been thought of not being in, then maybe the share of people getting deducted from POPs is not large enough..... at the moment it's 1/10 of losses getting pulled out of POPs.

 

[unmerged(14393)]

Originally posted by Sytass
Contrary to what I said, POPs do lose people when soldiers in the field die. o

However, since it's been thought of not being in, then maybe the share of people getting deducted from POPs is not large enough..... at the moment it's 1/10 of losses getting pulled out of POPs.

I think it´s quite fine as it is.

 

[Maximilian I]

I confirm: this feature is IN, the losses are with 1:10 just a tad bit too low.

 

[unmerged(12680)]

Originally posted by Sytass
Contrary to what I said, POPs do lose people when soldiers in the field die. o

However, since it's been thought of not being in, then maybe the share of people getting deducted from POPs is not large enough..... at the moment it's 1/10 of losses getting pulled out of POPs.

Any loss is better then no loss, that's for certain, but do those losses come from Soldier POPs, or will fat capitalists face the horrors of war as often as the lowly workers?

 

[Syt]

Originally posted by anti_strunt
Any loss is better then no loss, that's for certain, but do those losses come from Soldier POPs, or will fat capitalists face the horrors of war as often as the lowly workers?

No, only from soldier POPs.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Originally posted by Sytass
Contrary to what I said, POPs do lose people when soldiers in the field die. o

Cool. These casualties are deducted from the POP in the unit's home province, right? That goes some way towards answering my question above.

 

[unmerged(20138)]

Well, thanks Sytass for clearing that up (though a week ago when I started a thread asking about it and got 5 no's you could have responded then )

But I think it should be closer to 1/5 personaly, atleast 1/7 though. Just thinking about it if you lose 1,000,000 in a war only 100,000 die, just seems a bit low (especially with how rare those massive war loss's are), but 200,000 seems a bit more reasonable...

just a though

 

[Ivan Bajlo]

I'm guessing it was done to stop all the Francisco Solano López on this forum from killing everyone in there country.

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/tango/triple1864.htm