Paradox, when are you going to fix 1066?

[JMensch]

It's a touch ridiculous that the Anglo-Saxon dukes can just vote William and house de Normandy out of power and off the island. Im not a stickler for being railroaded and things have to follow history to the letter but geez.

 

[JohnKR]

Have you done enough tests to justify this? Cause i' ve not seen that in any of my games with the new patch. I may be lucky or you may just be unlucky.

 

[JMensch]

Have you done enough tests to justify this? Cause i' ve not seen that in any of my games with the new patch. I may be lucky or you may just be unlucky.

Not really any testing to do seeing as how England is set to Agnatic-Cognatic Elective in 1066.

 

[balmung60]

Anglo-Saxons can't vote you out when you use your sweet invasion CB to unland all of them.

 

[JMensch]

Anglo-Saxons can't vote you out when you use your sweet invasion CB to unland all of them.

Taking over the whole of England is very time consuming and not even William himself had to do that.

 

[thevmag]

If I wanted to play a game where I see countries where and as they should be, I play December 1066. No stressing William losing England, since he's already in power and everything's set up for him.

 

[Rationalsanity]

Anglo-Saxons can't vote you out when you use your sweet invasion CB to unland all of them.

Will's AI, in the rare cases where he isn't killed fighting over Zeeland/wastes his time training troops in Paris/gets his war nullified by a Anglo-French alliance/loses to the oversized Norway doomstack, isn't bright enough to do that.

Invasion CB should impose the attacker's succession law on the target. While William didn't use Primo exactly (more like he had access to the Indian faith's heir choice feature IRL), he certainly didn't use Elective.

 

[JMensch]

If I wanted to play a game where I see countries where and as they should be, I play December 1066. No stressing William losing England, since he's already in power and everything's set up for him.

I like to take Vexin beforehand so I dont have to fight France later for it.

Will's AI, in the rare cases where he isn't killed fighting over Zeeland/wastes his time training troops in Paris/gets his war nullified by a Anglo-French alliance/loses to the oversized Norway doomstack, isn't bright enough to do that.

Invasion CB should impose the attacker's succession law on the target. While William didn't use Primo exactly (more like he had access to the Indian faith's heir choice feature IRL), he certainly didn't use Elective.

Lets not forget Normandy falling to the Anglo-Saxons due to them totally ignoring Norway and preempting the D-Day invasion by 878 years.

 

[DàbiànLājīdàrén]

Tbh after TOG was released I just assumed every later start date was broken. Paradox definitely shouldn't have made every start date in between the major ones an option, I can't imagine how much work that must be to maintain now, if they do it at all (which I doubt). For CK3 I hope there's at maximum only three start dates so the devs can focus all their energy on more important stuff .

 

[Rognvaldr19]

Taking over the whole of England is very time consuming and not even William himself had to do that.

Yes he did. He had to kill the incumbent king (Battle of Hastings), take London (Battle of Southwark), take everything surrounding London (Battle of Berkhamstead), then he crowned himself which may have made him king to the Pope and everyone else, but the Anglo-Saxons certainly weren't done fighting and had already crowned somebody else king, one Edgar Aetheling, so after he crowned himself, he had to conquer the Midlands and Welsh Borderlands, then he had to fight all the Anglo-Saxons in the north.

He was quite understandably pissed by having to do all that, so he genocided the Anglo-Saxons in the North, which was called the Harrowing of the North. Edgar fled to Scotland, so William invaded Scotland too, which we lost so we told Edgar to leave, which he did to the duchy of Flanders.

William was satisfied by that and finally sat down, accepted as King of England by everyone, including his Anglo-Saxon counterparts, by 1071.

 

[JMensch]

Yes he did. He had to kill the incumbent king (Battle of Hastings), take London (Battle of Southwark), take everything surrounding London (Battle of Berkhamstead), then he crowned himself which may have made him king to the Pope and everyone else, but the Anglo-Saxons certainly weren't done fighting and had already crowned somebody else king, one Edgar Aetheling, so after he crowned himself, he had to conquer the Midlands and Welsh Borderlands, then he had to fight all the Anglo-Saxons in the north.

He was quite understandably pissed by having to do all that, so he genocided the Anglo-Saxons in the North, which was called the Harrowing of the North. Edgar fled to Scotland, so William invaded Scotland too, which we lost so we told Edgar to leave, which he did to the duchy of Flanders.

William was satisfied by that and finally sat down, accepted as King of England by everyone, including his Anglo-Saxon counterparts, by 1071.

William didnt also have to deal with a number of issues that are unique to this game. Like an Anglo-French alliance totally nullifying his war.

 

[aono]

William didnt also have to deal with a number of issues that are unique to this game. Like an Anglo-French alliance totally nullifying his war.

Also he hadn't satellite vision for all his map, instant messaging system allowing him to make orders and get info to react instantly, teleports for his best war leaders and invulnerable navy.
I'd say one cost another.

 

[JMensch]

Also he hadn't satellite vision for all his map, instant messaging system allowing him to make orders and get info to react instantly, teleports for his best war leaders and invulnerable navy.
I'd say one cost another.

All fine points except the last. Ship to ship combat wasnt really a thing and William's landing was unopposed anyway. Stopping a ship borne invasion was normally opposed on the beach.

 

[aono]

Ship to ship combat wasnt really a thing and William's landing was unopposed anyway

Not ship-to-ship combat but beach burnings. It was quite standard tactics to defeat invaders - go for their ships, for destroy their way home.
P.S. Oh, I forgot to mention about ship damage from weather or shipwreckings.

 

[JMensch]

The point is, is that it makes zero sense that the succession laws of the English crown dont flip from Agnatic-Cognatic Elective to Agnatic Primo when you successfully conquer England as William. Especially since as thevmag pointed out, the next bookmark (William the Conqueror 26 Dec 1066) has the succession law set to Agnatic Primo.

 

[aono]

The point is, is that it makes zero sense that the succession laws of the English crown dont flip from Agnatic-Cognatic Elective to Agnatic Primo when you successfully conquer England as William.

And yeah, this is good point. It demands just one event after succefull invasion.