Technically, the worst patch. I actually like the DLC. The patch, not so much.
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Paradox: Please remove Shattered Retreat and Coalitions
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Technically, the worst patch. I actually like the DLC. The patch, not so much.
The way I suggested coalitions to work before conclave was announced was through factions in ungenerated titles (like the kingdom of Ireland before it's formed or the empire of hispania before it's formed) or parts of the world (like a western european coalition vs HRE). I'm not completely sure how infamy/coalitions work but I hope that the maximum region is still limited by how big the infamous realm is (or what rank) and partly by infamy percentage (maybe within a de jure kingdom at 25% but in the de jure empire at 75%).
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7 years to unite Ireland in 769 start, broke truce once which didnt even affect my Infamy. Infamy is gone in 5 months. Coalitions broken, game unplayable, worst patch.
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Well, the usual Paradox routine "wait for 5-6 months ofpatching until latest DLC will be playable"
In EUIV we had shattered retreat with armies retreating across two continents. Was somewhat patched so armies march a bit less than a continent.
In EUIV we had coalitions with Ming and Japan joining coalition after you took some provinces in european war. Was fixed after a while to be region and neighboorhood related.
It's just the same old bugs, mistatkes and half-assed undeveloped mechanics P-dox will be fixing in a coming months.
Fanbois will be screeching about absolute perfection and greatness of ANY implemented feature, even adding mandatory manual confirmation for each and every automated action oк removal of stats and traits.
In EUIV we had shattered retreat with armies retreating across two continents. Was somewhat patched so armies march a bit less than a continent.
In EUIV we had coalitions with Ming and Japan joining coalition after you took some provinces in european war. Was fixed after a while to be region and neighboorhood related.
It's just the same old bugs, mistatkes and half-assed undeveloped mechanics P-dox will be fixing in a coming months.
Fanbois will be screeching about absolute perfection and greatness of ANY implemented feature, even adding mandatory manual confirmation for each and every automated action oк removal of stats and traits.
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Awesome, it is ironic that people are enjoying the game more when they disable features.
Paradox gone on the route we saw in Electronic Arts and Ubisoft - people want the game harder? Sure, why not, let's make it HARDER TO PLAY. Not in a Dark Souls way, but by making it more tedious and boring, by adding idiotic mechanics and adding more crap to existing and working actions.
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srry, i meant underpowered as in
agreed. personally, the only thing i wanted to make the game harder was a smarter war A.I would that have been so hard to make? instead we get a coalition system that makes a slight bit of sense, but is cranked so much up that if youre, say, a spainard that successfully kicks the moors out of spain, you get half your fellow christians calling for your head. and then theres the shattered retreat that makes no sense, doesnt fit the time period, and quite frankly is just a chore.
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Which is why good mods did what they can to address the difficulty in non-arbitrary ways.
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Shattered retreat is the reason that I don't play EU4. It's a dysfunctional mechanic that is both unrealistic and unfun. The little time I've spent playing Conclave has been the most miserable experience I've had with CK2 in years.
They were aware that it was a controversial feature in EU4, forcing it onto an older game just seems like an arrogant and careless decision.
They were aware that it was a controversial feature in EU4, forcing it onto an older game just seems like an arrogant and careless decision.
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How is shattered retreat unrealistic. Any General who is facing a crushing defeat would be a fool to not retreat his army. A dead soldier can't fight. Was it more realistic before? Is it more realistic when a General fights until the end, facing a crushing defeat, rather than to withdraw, and thus losing his whole army?
Geez, I really hope that you never have to command an army.
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Tried 2.5.1 out. This game is a total mess right now. With these silly mechanics it's dead for me as a historical accurate strategy game. It isn't even fun to play anymore.
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It's unrealistic that a retreating army is invincible and moves at super speed in a solid block of troops.
You could retreat a defeated army before, but it was hard, as it should be. Winning a battle gave a tremendous advantage, as it should have. Wars could be won quickly and decisively, so long as you were prepared.
Shattered retreat makes every single war a frustrating war of attrition, and THAT might be realistic in some way, but it's not at all fun.
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Unless you're planning on paying them to remove these "features" I wouldn't hold my breath. Hey, at least you're not getting threads locked for complaining about these "features" that's something I suppose.
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Well, in EU this has been made fine by manpower, so you do not have infinite number of troops. In CK2 this mechanic falls apart, because you reinforce a lot more men.
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its unrealistic because this game is set in the medieval peroid, not the era of standing armies. yes, withdrawing is an important part of warfare, but its wasnt something that was done in the medival period all that often, because those armies was made up of levies, not soliders. in this period, what would happen, was that an army would lose the figth, then, wheter the retreat was ordered or not, the army would almost always disintegrate into nothing, as the men who fought would say, screw this, we're going home. ands as such, yes, almost all battles were decided by who won the first big battle. true that wasnt always the case, but that is generally how it went.
so yes shattered retreat in this period is completely unrealistic. well, if the army was made up of mostly retinue, it would be more realistic, but unless youre a republic thats probably not going to be the case.
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And here I am, a veteran EUIV player, bemusedly watching the CK2 players fly into the anticipated mess of complaints. You lot think you have it hard.. In EUIV, we have forts that exert zone of control. Meaning, you literally can't pursue shattered armies in many circumstances. Coalitions fire if you take two provinces in the HRE. And just as with us, you'll get used to it. Such is the cycle of new features that hinder easy conquests in Paradox games.
Getting used to doesn't mean those features makes sense what so ever, especially in this timeframe. At best, shattered retreat should be only possible for retinues and infamy straight up removed and actually make devs work on alliance system that could somewhat represent some kind of coalition that would be possible in the time period.
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The only issue I have with shattered retreat is that you shouldn't be able to retreat into land that doesn't belong to you or an ally. Regarding coalitions/infamy, I think it's an inferior system to the AE system in EU4. In EU4, you can plan and strategize your conquests because you know that too much AE = coalition. So therefore, you conquer nations of different cultures, of different religions, in different directions, to manage the AE. On the other hand, the CK2 coalitions are defensive-minded rather than a way to cut down someone that gets too big, too fast.
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But it's just a bad idea to begin with. Coalitions should not be in a game set in the Middle Ages. Ahistorical reasons absolutely fly when it comes to a historical strategy game. Shattered retreat I don't know much about, but from what I've heard both of these features have practically made the game unplayable. On all levels, these features are negative additions to CK2, so stop defending Paradox's poor decision-making. If community outcry has any chance of changing their minds on these newly introduced features, I say it's worth trying.
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