You do realize that those 2000 hours weren't wasted right? That they came before the changes that caused you so much suffering?
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Paradox: Please remove Shattered Retreat and Coalitions
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You do realize that those 2000 hours weren't wasted right? That they came before the changes that caused you so much suffering?
It's a video game. Those hours would be wasted even if you enjoyed SR and coalitions.
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Paradox will never remove shattered retreat. So I just use a mod. Without that mod I would have stopped playing CK2. I am playing it more for the dynastic simulation and have no time to run after shattered armies fighting complex battles. For that I play Total War games.
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To be fair when they are shattered and on the run you aren't actually supposed to follow them hence why you can't battle them for a while, I think the idea is you go off and siege or battle another unshattered army and aftar a while the shattered one recovers and comes back.
I had that happened in the 1066 start as Godwin, I shattered the Norwegians three times before I finally beat them where as I only had to battle William once and managed to capture him and thus end that part of the war very quickly.
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Your strategy worked for me when fighting other nations but It drove me almost in debt when fighting the increase council power factions. I beat the rebels in the first battle, they run away, replenish, meet with the other rebel stacks and return outnumbering me and forcing me to hire mercenaries. That's why I decided to run after them to prevent them to combine with other rebel stacks.
Splitting forces might help in this situation, have the main force focus on other rebel stacks while the smaller stack of you're own follows the other for a while to check out where it's going then head back and reunite, if you are outnumbered then look for a good location to get good defender bonuses or if you have the room to do so move around making them suffer attrition damage.
Or hire mercanaries like you said you did, it's not a perfect solution I know and it can be damned frustrating but it does make internal rebellions somewhat more of a concern again due to the very problem you mentioned, I got massivly bankrupt and indebt to the Jewish moneylenders ingame as Byzantium when I faced a decade of back to back civil wars because I was role playing my character as a complete and utter dishonorable bastard who screwed his vassels and counsel at every opportunity.
They dont gonna change anything the next DD is on may 17, and if you let me guess is for sell you a new DLC plus free patch.
Just play other game is what i do now; EU4 has the same punish mechanic logic is call corruption, so expect this in Stellaris and maybe en HOI4.- 1
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I can't believe you just called Total War battles complex.
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I began Crusader Kings II last year in February. Since that time I've played 300+ hours Steam time, plus more in offline at my country house. CK2 has been an amazing experience and as a person who loves history, it was so much fun. I was playing and thinking about the game frequently, checking forums, the community and taking books out from the library to learn more about the medieval period. Unfortunately, I've logged less than 30 hours since Conclave and the major change have come out. I just finished playing for 3 hours and came to a sad realization; I'm just not having fun with the game anymore. I just quit out after a war had become way to drawn out in my opinion. Shattered retreats, Conclave and other changes have just made the game feel to constrained and drawn out. I need a break I guess. I'm going to be moving on for a good while I think. I find it frustrating. Even with the proposed changes of alliances, coalitions, there are very severe penalties for it. Also, when alliances do somewhat work, the AI just wanders the map, leaves a battle were winning or just plain goes into a doomstack and commits suicide. I don't know. It feels like a lot of the amazing people in the CK2 are feeling alienated in the last couple months.. It sucks but I'll just have to go elsewhere for games for awhile. Makes me sad.
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I think I'm going to uninstall CKII now, wait for Stellaris and play this until it gets ruined as well.
Maybe that was the plan all along.
Maybe that was the plan all along.
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Adding shattered retreat was a good decision. Before that you won one battle, chased the weakened army one province further and wiped them to win the whole war. While the system can be improved, shattered retreat allowed wars to not be decided by one single battle which might be realistic in certain circumstances, but not fun while playing a game.
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For me that wars go longer and are financially bigger burden (especially with mercs) is a good thing. More difficult but good.
Yet whether shatered army is recollected full Force and how far from battle location is a different story.
Yet whether shatered army is recollected full Force and how far from battle location is a different story.
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I'd have to respectfully disagree. I remember when I began playing Ireland to learn the game. Early in the game, you will almost always need to hire mercenaries. (I always start at count tier) You will quickly run out of gold (making mercs switch sides or quit) or annoy your vassals to great extents if you simply chase down armies. Prior to SR you still needed to plan what holding you were going to siege and be careful of which pitched battle you were going to partake in. Obviously it would get easier over time as your demesne got larger but I roleplay and anyone can minmax and game it up if they like.
I have tried multiple games as ERE trying to form Roman empire and I find impossible with coaltions. My experience is that
-I take a duchy .
-Wait forever on a laggy speed 5 for coalition to cool.
-play total war on my other screen , occasionally clicking on popup events
I haven't played ck2 for months now .the first time I've been bored of it since I started in 2014.
I love coming on here and hanging out though !
-I take a duchy .
-Wait forever on a laggy speed 5 for coalition to cool.
-play total war on my other screen , occasionally clicking on popup events
I haven't played ck2 for months now .the first time I've been bored of it since I started in 2014.
I love coming on here and hanging out though !
To be honest, coalitions aren't all that bad... I simply think they pop out way too often. They should only form if you fight several wars in a row, having a continent wide coalition against you after taking a simple duchy is overdoing it.
Shattered retreat is destroys the pace of wars, but eh, I can live it.
The worst thing in the game so far for me are the rebellions to increase council authority. You can defeat all of your vassals 12 times in a row, and they can all love you, but they will always form that faction a month or so after their defeat if you release them, which forces you to throw all of them in jail, all the time, and be an all around tyrant, if you want to keep the council weak. Not only that, but should you lose a rebellion for increased council authority, be ready to have council authority be maximized in the space of a couple of years. You lose your +2 demesne, which means you are weaker than beforehand, and they can plan another rebellion right after winning the last one.
In my opinion, refusing a demand for increased council authority should result in a tyranny hit, not a goddamn rebellion, and there should be a cooldown before your vassals ask you for it again.
Shattered retreat is destroys the pace of wars, but eh, I can live it.
The worst thing in the game so far for me are the rebellions to increase council authority. You can defeat all of your vassals 12 times in a row, and they can all love you, but they will always form that faction a month or so after their defeat if you release them, which forces you to throw all of them in jail, all the time, and be an all around tyrant, if you want to keep the council weak. Not only that, but should you lose a rebellion for increased council authority, be ready to have council authority be maximized in the space of a couple of years. You lose your +2 demesne, which means you are weaker than beforehand, and they can plan another rebellion right after winning the last one.
In my opinion, refusing a demand for increased council authority should result in a tyranny hit, not a goddamn rebellion, and there should be a cooldown before your vassals ask you for it again.
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