Paradox, please remove 50% autonomy colonial cap from African/Native American states

[LastSalian]

He's made a bunch of posts, so that's trickier than it sounds, but here's a few things he said on this topic in the 1.8 Patchnotes thread:







And from the "Colonies: The New Taint" thread:

Very appreciated. Well at least I know now that this change haven't been caused by negligence. Still I can't make sense of it, though, not even a few. It's like saying "as Ottomans have plenty of land to conquer, let's make something about it". Indeed there are inherent PROS and CONS on every nation. I hope we don't end up having the same ideas for all nations, and the same BT, etc.

 

[LastSalian]

Tested to see how long it took Arapaho to get 4 ducats a month as income with no expenditures of any kind.

38 provinces, 9 troop limit, 15 manpower.

Edit: Arapaho has a cool flag by the way. This also doesn't account for how long this would take Arapaho in terms of time

Now that's what I call effective QA. Thank you.

 

[grumphie]

and the most silly would be that you'd amke roughly twice that amount if you were an CN

 

[Galu]

yeah, at least "mothercontinent" should be excluded from this penality it is fairly reasonable to give 50% penality for native americans colonizing africa and vice versa but for Gods* sake why as f.e. Inca I will have 50% autonomy in province bordering my capital only because it is "colony" ?!


*whoever you belive or belive not

 

[TheDarkMaster]

You know what I just discovered is the real problem with the 50% floor on autonomy? Since it's also a cap, you can't increase autonomy in provinces to keep reactionaries from constantly spawning in your colonies if you're westernizing. I'd guess this is an issue with conquered colony provinces too.

 

[usednickname]

i think if there is a land bridge between your capital and the colony (or at least only one tile of sea) then the feature should be scrapped.

 

[Kyoumen]

i think if there is a land bridge between your capital and the colony (or at least only one tile of sea) then the feature should be scrapped.

yeah, at least "mothercontinent" should be excluded from this penality it is fairly reasonable to give 50% penality for native americans colonizing africa and vice versa but for Gods* sake why as f.e. Inca I will have 50% autonomy in province bordering my capital only because it is "colony" ?!


*whoever you belive or belive not

First off, when it's an overseas province, the penalty is 75%, not 50%.

Secondly, I literally just posted Wiz's statement on the reasoning for the change and why Inca gets this penalty and why it is not going to be scrapped.

I mean, people can disagree with his reasoning, but they ought to at least address the reasoning when doing so.

 

[Hakuromatsu]

You know what I just discovered is the real problem with the 50% floor on autonomy? Since it's also a cap, you can't increase autonomy in provinces to keep reactionaries from constantly spawning in your colonies if you're westernizing. I'd guess this is an issue with conquered colony provinces too.

Yep! The same goes for Ming.

Everything about this mechanic needs to be thrown away and reworked.

 

[Magnificent Genius]

There needs to be a minimum distance from the capital before this takes effect. Say, anything you colonize on the same continent within two provinces of your original capital is treated as a normal province after x years, farther than that the penalty takes effect.

 

[Krajzen]

By the way, does anybody know why my Ottomans start with many Anatolian provinces at ~13% autonomy and years later without any action here I check and suddenly the autonomy here is 0%?

 

[Ralepozozaxe]

By the way, does anybody know why my Ottomans start with many Anatolian provinces at ~13% autonomy and years later without any action here I check and suddenly the autonomy here is 0%?

Autonomy drops on its own over time unless stated otherwise.

 

[FreeSoc]

By the way, does anybody know why my Ottomans start with many Anatolian provinces at ~13% autonomy and years later without any action here I check and suddenly the autonomy here is 0%?

It decreases by 0.1 per month when you're at peace (unless it's a colony or you're Ming or a horde, in which case it stops at a certain value above 0), presumably to represent gradual integration.

 

[JellyRev]

There needs to be a minimum distance from the capital before this takes effect. Say, anything you colonize on the same continent within two provinces of your original capital is treated as a normal province after x years, farther than that the penalty takes effect.

THIS.

and with tech the range should increase.

 

[MrKinich]

Agree with everyone who suggested that distance from Capital should have an effect; perhaps number of provinces should also factor in, somehow? If you have less than X# of provinces, new colonies do not have the autonomy floor? This would allow OPM/2PM natives to build up a decent heartland before they start suffering penalties.

 

[Kyoumen]

By doing that, you are making an optimal Qing one that moves their capital to the Spice Islands (since that's the richest same-continent colonies). That is probably not ideal.

Also, unless you leave ways for it to revert (which is more things for the game to keep track of), it will also be optimal to just move the capital around and integrate each colonial area in turn.

 

[Baalshazar]

I'm for it, playing as Mapuche.

 

[Freudia]

By doing that, you are making an optimal Qing one that moves their capital to the Spice Islands (since that's the richest same-continent colonies). That is probably not ideal.

Also, unless you leave ways for it to revert (which is more things for the game to keep track of), it will also be optimal to just move the capital around and integrate each colonial area in turn.

That's a lot of admin points though. It's 200 admin points per capital move.

 

[Squirrelloid]

By doing that, you are making an optimal Qing one that moves their capital to the Spice Islands (since that's the richest same-continent colonies). That is probably not ideal.

Also, unless you leave ways for it to revert (which is more things for the game to keep track of), it will also be optimal to just move the capital around and integrate each colonial area in turn.

Is that really any worse than encouraging American Natives to found CNs on the other continent, and switch to the CN to get to actually use their land?

 

[MarkS00N]

I understand where Wiz comes from (colonize inland offer much more than colonize oversea) which from mechanic perspective isn't a good thing (one option must be 'equal' with a similar option), but I think this one should be an exception because it affect negatively far more than those that become the target of mechanic (*coughRussiacough*)...
At least, a different mechanic should be introduce...

I agree with those who offer the 'range' mechanic, though I think it isn't optimal...

How about it depend on climate?
So colonized region with temperate climate has lower autonomy floor (o%) while those in artic has higher autonomy floor (50%)?
I haven't read all suggestion so forgive me if this has been mentioned...

 

[balmung60]

It decreases by 0.1 per month when you're at peace (unless it's a colony or you're Ming or a horde, in which case it stops at a certain value above 0), presumably to represent gradual integration.

And for some government types, it ticks down even faster (eg. Iqta gets an extra -0.1 LA/month and a colonial government gets -0.2/month and an Enlightened Despotism gets -0.3/month)