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Because as long as you maintain that policy, no one will turn around and come to kill you right? :p


Assuming Sweden won't and other nations won't peace out to screw you over.

Johan is playing an excellent game. Who can deny him a place in the top 3 at this stage? The answer: Germany and/or France. The others are too far away to do anything even if they peace out because Johan can defend himself at sea and Ottomans and Ethiopians would have to march through Europe to access Burgundy, so this would require approval by Germany.

So of course Johan wants Germany and France to be busy elsewhere. The thing is, everyone knows this but at the same time the brilliant thing is that it is in fact in Germany's and France's interests to work with Johan. Johan + Germany cooperation is mutually beneficial as we have seen, and France is out of the top 3 already no matter what so there is no need for him to take a diplo rep hit for future games by stabbing Johan who has been more or less a very reliable ally for France the whole game.

So all of their incentives are aligned. Germany wants to keep the deal with England so they are guaranteed the new victory points in the Low Countries and they want to keep knocking Ottomans and Ethiopia down. France wants to attack Ottomans and Ethiopia because they effectively screwed him over by letting him fight Prussia alone. And as mentioned before, there is no benefit from him attacking Johan.

Great play all around! The only wild card in this scenario is Portugal because their fleet is so strong that they could threaten England together with Ethiopia etc. But there is no real incentive for them to attack Johan either, they'd rather attack Spain instead. And they have not been very cutthroat anyway. So the only way Johan could lose is if there is some personal vendetta against him growing, but he hasn't been that sneaky in this game that someone would blow up their own game just to get at him.
 
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No. I will not help wiz against da9l.

Ethiopia delenda est!

I will back Germany for no.1 and help France in their rightful vengeance!
Thanks for the clarity :). Guessing Jake will probably announce this next stream / after the game is over, but any timeline on when the next Dev MP will start once this one wraps up?
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He hasn't really changed that much. He's literally been supporting France the vast majority of the game. France orchestrated the war against Ethiopia/Ottomans, no reason for him to really not join once the war w/ Burgundy is over.
Johan is playing an excellent game. Who can deny him a place in the top 3 at this stage? The answer: Germany and/or France. The others are too far away to do anything even if they peace out because Johan can defend himself at sea and Ottomans and Ethiopians would have to march through Europe to access Burgundy, so this would require approval by Germany.

So of course Johan wants Germany and France to be busy elsewhere. The thing is, everyone knows this but at the same time the brilliant thing is that it is in fact in Germany's and France's interests to work with Johan. Johan + Germany cooperation is mutually beneficial as we have seen, and France is out of the top 3 already no matter what so there is no need for him to take a diplo rep hit for future games by stabbing Johan who has been more or less a very reliable ally for France the whole game.

So all of their incentives are aligned. Germany wants to keep the deal with England so they are guaranteed the new victory points in the Low Countries and they want to keep knocking Ottomans and Ethiopia down. France wants to attack Ottomans and Ethiopia because they effectively screwed him over by letting him fight Prussia alone. And as mentioned before, there is no benefit from him attacking Johan.

Great play all around! The only wild card in this scenario is Portugal because their fleet is so strong that they could threaten England together with Ethiopia etc. But there is no real incentive for them to attack Johan either, they'd rather attack Spain instead. And they have not been very cutthroat anyway. So the only way Johan could lose is if there is some personal vendetta against him growing, but he hasn't been that sneaky in this game that someone would blow up their own game just to get at him.

Portugal is already funding Burgundy 80 ducats/month because of Johan's constant bullying this game. Getting involved via actual fleet support wouldn't be that farfetched. He wasn't forceful enough with getting his VCs for a top 3 slot unless a deal comes his way for a quick dismantling of Spain in the remaining 20 years while the rest of the world outside of Sweden is in a fairly major war.
 

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Thanks for the clarity :). Guessing Jake will probably announce this next stream / after the game is over, but any timeline on when the next Dev MP will start once this one wraps up?

He hasn't really changed that much. He's literally been supporting France the vast majority of the game. France orchestrated the war against Ethiopia/Ottomans, no reason for him to really not join once the war w/ Burgundy is over.


Portugal is already funding Burgundy 80 ducats/month because of Johan's constant bullying this game. Getting involved via actual fleet support wouldn't be that farfetched. He wasn't forceful enough with getting his VCs for a top 3 slot unless a deal comes his way for a quick dismantling of Spain in the remaining 20 years while the rest of the world outside of Sweden is in a fairly major war.

I have nothing to do with Paradox but my guess for the next one is April or November next year.
 

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I have nothing to do with Paradox but my guess for the next one is April or November next year.
They're usually not that long of a wait in between. This one was postponed due to Swedish summer from the last one.
 

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Portugal is already funding Burgundy 80 ducats/month because of Johan's constant bullying this game. Getting involved via actual fleet support wouldn't be that farfetched. He wasn't forceful enough with getting his VCs for a top 3 slot unless a deal comes his way for a quick dismantling of Spain in the remaining 20 years while the rest of the world outside of Sweden is in a fairly major war.

Yeah, but Portugal has been subsidizing a ton of people in this game and supporting one side in a war multiple times. It's still quite far from actually directly intervening and attacking England IMO. He should've stood up for himself before and done something about it (although nobody should be too harsh, he's played in a really interesting and effective way as Portugal), now it's way too late. Like I said, only because of a personal vendetta would someone come after Johan at this stage. I just can't see Portugal doing that in the last 20 years of the game. If he wants to be more aggressive, the optimal way would be to attack Spain and make an effort for the VCs even if it's already too late to get all of the points.
 

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I'm torn about letting Jake play. On one hand it would be really great to see him play against everyone, but I really enjoy his commentary and he boosts the streams from pretty good entertainment to top notch entertainment. Not that any of his replacements are bad, they seem like cool guys, but in no way can they compare to the knowledge, humor, and confidence that Jake brings to the table. So I don't know!
 
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It would be interesting to see Jake play. However! With all due respect, no one could replace Jake as the commentator. No one is nearly as good and entertaining at it. As much as I'd love to see Jake in the fray with the others pulling diplomatic rugs from under each other in the European mud pond, unless he can split himself in two, then I'd without a doubt rather have him as the commentator.

Already looking forward to 10th =].
 
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It would be interesting to see Jake play. However! With all due respect, no one could replace Jake as the commentator. No one is nearly as good and entertaining at it. As much as I'd love to see Jake in the fray with the others pulling diplomatic rugs from under each other in the European mud pond, unless he can split himself in two, then I'd without a doubt rather have him as the commentator.

Already looking forward to 10th =].

As a long time viewer of Jake's youtube vids, I would be just as happy if he commentated, but only on what he was doing, then there could be a nice end session wrap up. Not that it isn't interesting to see what else is happening, I am a Jake fan.
 
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It might be a personal preference, but we have been playing streamed games with a group too. What really worked for us was having 2 people narrate together. It made the banter and discussion just a bit more livelier although obviously none of these people was named Jake. Maybe it would at least be an idea to assign Jake a buddy.

I would personally love to see him play too. It's time he walks the walk on stream. :D
 

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It might be a personal preference, but we have been playing streamed games with a group too. What really worked for us was having 2 people narrate together. It made the banter and discussion just a bit more livelier although obviously none of these people was named Jake. Maybe it would at least be an idea to assign Jake a buddy.

I would personally love to see him play too. It's time he walks the walk on stream. :D
Well... As a member of said community streaming group, we would LOOOVVEEE to play with you or commentate ;-) just to show you guys what´s what :p
 

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As a long time viewer of Jake's youtube vids, I would be just as happy if he commentated, but only on what he was doing, then there could be a nice end session wrap up. Not that it isn't interesting to see what else is happening, I am a Jake fan.
Eh, that puts him at a major disadvantage diplomatically. As much as I'd like to see Jake play in the MP games, there aren't a lot of people who can fill his shoes there. Using the double narrator thing below, Martin + Mario (Wiz + Nibbles) I think would make a good pair. Johan as commentator wouldn't be a bad idea either. I may disagree with Johan about design + balance direction from time to time, but he really does know his stuff.

It might be a personal preference, but we have been playing streamed games with a group too. What really worked for us was having 2 people narrate together. It made the banter and discussion just a bit more livelier although obviously none of these people was named Jake. Maybe it would at least be an idea to assign Jake a buddy.

I would personally love to see him play too. It's time he walks the walk on stream. :D
What is this Community MP game you speak of? You guys kicked me from the discord :*(

Now what would be a really fun idea would be to set the difficulty to VH and have @Gnivom commentate at why the AI is doing X action and how the player is getting wrecked :p. Re-enabling VH condi would make it even more fun to watch likely the majority of the devs get wrecked.
 
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Eh, that puts him at a major disadvantage diplomatically. As much as I'd like to see Jake play in the MP games, there aren't a lot of people who can fill his shoes there. Using the double narrator thing below, Martin + Mario (Wiz + Nibbles) I think would make a good pair. Johan as commentator wouldn't be a bad idea either. I may disagree with Johan about design + balance direction from time to time, but he really does know his stuff.


What is this Community MP game you speak of? You guys kicked me from the discord :*(

Now what would be a really fun idea would be to set the difficulty to VH and have @Gnivom commentate at why the AI is doing X action and how the player is getting wrecked :p. Re-enabling VH condi would make it even more fun to watch likely the majority of the devs get wrecked.

I didn't kick you off. Who did? You're always welcome as far as I know.