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Well.. Da9l admitted to seeing red, though are you sure that forts block the demand of provinces in an unconditional surrender peacedeal? i think something changed in this regard since i could demand any province in my prussia-game when the enemy was beaten.
In order to take any of the Syrian provinces, they would have to occupy them.
 
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So it becomes a question of whether Groogy is willing to let himself ejected from the top 8 to save Wiz' #1 spot.

Groogy, please do the right thing: look after your own interests! :D
 
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WHAT A SESSION! OH what a session! It's gotta be the best one yet. The tables have turned so quick that some players almost fell off of them (cough-Wiz-cough). While others are holding on to this carousel with only their teeth while their feet are dragged along (wink wink Burgundy).

I doubt the game will end with Portugal in the top three. They are just too fragile. If they do make it up there, just before the end, whoever will turn out to be fourth, will ask Spain to help them dismantle Portugal. And Spain will agree to it, why wouldn't they? They'd have absolutely nothing to lose, but a chance to regain their dignity. Portugal simply doesn't have the thick skin that France does. Say, Ethiopia moves their troops over to Spain and DOWs. It would be a brief war.

I am looking forward to Ethiopia being smashed. Wiz is a fine player, but geography has kept him too safe for too long. I am very interested to see how he will proceed in face of this disaster. I must say that Groogy has managed to patch himself up nicely, but all that might be undone.

As for the fan favourite contenders. I think it's going to be either Prussia or Portugal.
 
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Basically, I gave up because even in the best defensive position possible with a 6-6 general I couldn't beat them and I was also getting stab hit every single month. And for what happened after that wasn't great Starnan diplomacy, it was me bribing Starnan to let me help him get top 3 if he attacked my previous allies right now instead of killing me more when the truce ends.

I got pissed because we had spots 1 and 2 secured and then for some goddamn reason they make a deal to pull out. And even when it was so that the China player wouldn't be in, the deal that makes my mortal enemy stronger is still on. Did all the
troops they sent over die for nothing? Yes! I was going to loose all my VC and they'll be getting all their VC. So much for that alliance. So I wasn't going to let that be unpunished.

But even though I saw red and death, after the session we figured out what it was all about. A certain previous alliance member really wanted to grab the top spot and didn't think that I would let it go for anything and didn't even ask me. I would have and been... well... kind of pissed but a second place is better than dead and forgotten in top 10.

Johan?
 

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10% discipline, not 15%. And guaranteed 3 MIL, not 6.

Unless it's different in the version you are playing but what sane person would buff Prussia further?

It is in total 15% since you get 5% from your ideas as well. For how the math works when it comes to calculating the stats of a ruler and with Prussian Monarchy, you are more likely to get 6 Mil than you are to get 3 or 4 since the bonus is a straight plus on whatever got rolled. So it is ~50% chance to get 6 mil compared to 3, 4, 5 who are ~16% each.
 
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~57% to get a 6 even since it's really a D7-1 that would be rolled normally if they're all equal chances (and a D7+2 for this case).
 

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~57% to get a 6 even since it's really a D7-1 that would be rolled normally if they're all equal chances (and a D7+2 for this case).
10/16 chance of 6 skill.
So 62.5% chance.
Basically:
1/16 - Skill 3
2/16 - Skill 4
3/16 - Skill 5
10/16 - Skill 6

It's distributed that way as normally it isn't a D7-1, it's D4 + D4 - 2.
For Prussia when it comes to military power, it is D4 + D4 + 1.
 
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Didn't realize that Prussian monarchy wasn't just a floor, but an actual +3 to the roll. That actually changes a lot about the relative strength of the government.
 
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Basically, I gave up because even in the best defensive position possible with a 6-6 general I couldn't beat them and I was also getting stab hit every single month. And for what happened after that wasn't great Starnan diplomacy, it was me bribing Starnan to let me help him get top 3 if he attacked my previous allies right now instead of killing me more when the truce ends.

I got pissed because we had spots 1 and 2 secured and then for some goddamn reason they make a deal to pull out. And even when it was so that the China player wouldn't be in, the deal that makes my mortal enemy stronger is still on. Did all the troops they sent over die for nothing? Yes! I was going to loose all my VC and they'll be getting all their VC. So much for that alliance. So I wasn't going to let that be unpunished.

But even though I saw red and death, after the session we figured out what it was all about. A certain previous alliance member really wanted to grab the top spot and didn't think that I would let it go for anything and didn't even ask me. I would have and been... well... kind of pissed but a second place is better than dead and forgotten in top 10.

Basically Wiz let his ego take over for #1 trophy while joining late for the extra boost?

I do have to echo that I am a bit surprised at the war dec. As in I'm surprised you decided to go for a holy war on the Ottomans rather than an imperialism war on Ethiopia. Imperialism would grant a 75% province cost deduction making it a lot easier to rip the score cards from Ethiopia and like what has been said in here as well - groogy can just unconditionally surrender and you guys would be forced to either tank war exhaustion or truce break on ethiopia.

I forgot the part afterwards about it being your plan, my mistake on attributing it to StarNaN.

For the last bit, so basically this is another France giving the wrong province in the peacedeal? :p
 

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The game is so late, you don't need to take provinces in peace. You just have to occupy them. The VC immediately ticks down as soon as the first province is occupied. Honestly, the next sessions should just be everyone attempting crazy naval invasions to try and stick armies on the non-fortified provinces of important coastal VCs.
 

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Basically Wiz let his ego take over for #1 trophy while joining late for the extra boost?

I do have to echo that I am a bit surprised at the war dec. As in I'm surprised you decided to go for a holy war on the Ottomans rather than an imperialism war on Ethiopia. Imperialism would grant a 75% province cost deduction making it a lot easier to rip the score cards from Ethiopia and like what has been said in here as well - groogy can just unconditionally surrender and you guys would be forced to either tank war exhaustion or truce break on ethiopia.

I forgot the part afterwards about it being your plan, my mistake on attributing it to StarNaN.

For the last bit, so basically this is another France giving the wrong province in the peacedeal? :p

Pretty sure Ethiopia has some allies they wouldn't have wanted to bring in.
 

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GB, Mughals, Malwa and Morocco I believe are Wiz's allies.
Mughals and Morocco are already in the war, and Johan is having a bit of a Vietnam-moment in Burgundy. I don't think Gnivom want to white-peace if he can deny Johan a VC. Moreover, Malwa is in the war against Ming and a peace there would also free up the Commonwealth to the attackers side.
 

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GB, Mughals, Malwa and Morocco I believe are Wiz's allies.

Mughals and Morocco are already in the war, and Johan is having a bit of a Vietnam-moment in Burgundy. I don't think Gnivom want to white-peace if he can deny Johan a VC. Moreover, Malwa is in the war against Ming and a peace there would also free up the Commonwealth to the attackers side.

Mughals and Malwa are both in the war against Ming. Mughals I don't remember being in the war currently, but I could also be completely wrong there. I'm not sure if Johan would join Wiz vs staying neutral / helping France, but either way the point is moot due to Burgundy war.

Huruid hit the nail on the head with this basically.
 

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It is in total 15% since you get 5% from your ideas as well. For how the math works when it comes to calculating the stats of a ruler and with Prussian Monarchy, you are more likely to get 6 Mil than you are to get 3 or 4 since the bonus is a straight plus on whatever got rolled. So it is ~50% chance to get 6 mil compared to 3, 4, 5 who are ~16% each.
10/16 chance of 6 skill.
So 62.5% chance.
Basically:
1/16 - Skill 3
2/16 - Skill 4
3/16 - Skill 5
10/16 - Skill 6

It's distributed that way as normally it isn't a D7-1, it's D4 + D4 - 2.
For Prussia when it comes to military power, it is D4 + D4 + 1.
Oh, I didn't know that. I stand corrected.
 

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Mughals and Malwa are both in the war against Ming. Mughals I don't remember being in the war currently, but I could also be completely wrong there. I'm not sure if Johan would join Wiz vs staying neutral / helping France, but either way the point is moot due to Burgundy war.

Huruid hit the nail on the head with this basically.

No. I will not help wiz against da9l.

Ethiopia delenda est!

I will back Germany for no.1 and help France in their rightful vengeance!
 
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No. I will not help wiz against da9l.

Ethiopia delenda est!

I will back Germany for no.1 and help France in their rightful vengeance!

Because as long as you maintain that policy, no one will turn around and come to kill you right? :p


Assuming Sweden won't and other nations won't peace out to screw you over.
 
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