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I don't know about what goes on behind the scenes, but from what I've seen Groogy usually is quite boastful about his accomplishments or plans, then ends up messing things up somehow. I very much believe this is his game to lose, given the nation he has and great position he is currently in. If he ends up with an office coalition against him, it must be because of something he did or said, rather than because of the game mechanics.

It's not just Groogy. His cocky acting might get him in trouble naturally, but if Wiz and Johan always end up running the show it's a group mentality I'd say.
 

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It's not just Groogy. His cocky acting might get him in trouble naturally, but if Wiz and Johan always end up running the show it's a group mentality I'd say.

There are far better players at the office when it comes to diplomacy than me.

Yonaz, Forzaa, Wiz are all far better..
 
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It's not just Groogy. His cocky acting might get him in trouble naturally, but if Wiz and Johan always end up running the show it's a group mentality I'd say.
Not necessarily only group mentality, maybe they are just *best* at knowing what information to share and what offers to put up, its all about timing and information. Having played in similar situations in friend groups you often stand in a situation, where a superior diplomat makes an offer that you really want to refuse (because damn they this was how they won last time too), but doing so is just not helpful to your cause.
 
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I do wonder how politics in the office are conducted somewhat. If it's a toss up between two sides, why would people be inclined to go with Johan Or Wiz while they aren't necessarily better on the battlefield? Is it popularity, them being their superior, respect for the old grizzled veterans, them offering better deals, or fear they will be diplomatically isolated later in the game?

In multiplayer setups like these, I'd say you'd mostly get powerful by the grace of others. Will you guys let Johan and Wiz dictate another game, or will you break the chains and make sure they at least won't end on top?


(Ps. Nothing against Johan or Wiz; I just think it would be quite amusing to see others end up on top, or to see mass breaking agreements :D)

Johan usually is hurt more by his position than anything since Johan is a common target in Dev Games in the past :p

Wiz is just really good at striking deals with people and how to use diplomacy effectively. It's not like he wins every game he's in or anything, just he's always a threat due to his diplomacy.

When it's a toss up between two sides, people will usually side with the person who gives them the better deal in a neutral playing field. And do keep in mind these deals also have to be good enough to get over past player actions, etc... Wiz is basically Satan - able to get you to sell your soul for the right price :p
 

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There are four core tenets of office MP diplomacy I base my play around:

1. Know what people want, so that you know what to offer them. Sounds obvious, but I often see people confuse the desires of others with their own motivations, resulting in less than appealing diplomatic overtures. Everyone is different, so you have to adjust your diplomacy accordingly.

2. Know what people fear. This is often more important than what they want - good players consider risk more than reward because sometimes it takes only one major defeat to undo a dozen victories.

3. Talk to everyone. At least, everyone relevant to your position. Understand their wants and fears, and tell them as much of yours as you can share without compromising your plans. Dialogue sets the ground for cooperation and prevents unneccesary conflicts that only weaken you both.

And finally:

4. Don't lie. Be evasive, leave out information where needed, but if you say you will do something, do it. If you fail to live up to your word, offer compensation. If people know your word is solid it's much easier to work with them when required.

This game is interesting to me because I'm not in the middle of everything and feel free to mostly ignore European politics and pursue fun goals (Coptic faith go!). We'll see how long it lasts!
 
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Really, if rank at the office grants you any benefit I've yet to notice it. I got most of my trophies as AI programmer, and ForzaA got all his as QA... it's much more about the person, their skills and how they act both in victory and defeat.
 
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note it's no accusation. I'm just surprised people didn't adapt their diplomatic strategy to yours or something. The moment I wrote my earlier message I just felt it would be an anticlimax somehow if the same people would get tricked or beaten like last game (the only game I could see) and the same people would profit.

If anything, I like your approach. It's the first time I'm in my own big multiplayer game and already enjoy the diplomatic talks, scheming and intrigue.
 

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I've always been pretty open about how I play, though. It actually benefits me when people understand how I work because it makes me easier for them to cooperate with. It's not like people don't benefit from allying with me, after all.
 
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note it's no accusation. I'm just surprised people didn't adapt their diplomatic strategy to yours or something. The moment I wrote my earlier message I just felt it would be an anticlimax somehow if the same people would get tricked or beaten like last game (the only game I could see) and the same people would profit.

If anything, I like your approach. It's the first time I'm in my own big multiplayer game and already enjoy the diplomatic talks, scheming and intrigue.
It's actually fairly difficult to do what Wiz said for MP. You have to have a certain personality for the most part to get it to work.
 

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DECLARATION OF IMPERATOR MEHMET II

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A great new age has begun with the brave souls of Ilbasan leads the spearhead! A Golden Age as the Roman Empire is reborn! We shall be victorious as we take a stride forward on roads to an unknown destiny, Inshallah. As the Eagle shall spread its wings and stretch itself all from the West Indies to the East Indies it shall hold the crossroads of the world safe for the subjects of Allah. The Legions shall forever remain vigilant as his Imperial Majesty Mehmet demands it and they shall defend against the enemies of Konstantinyye.

Iustitia et potentia

- On behalf of his Imperial Majesty Mehmet II of Osman. First Citizen, Imperator of the Roman Empire, Padishah of the East, Shadow of God On Earth, Protector of the Armenian Kingdom, Lord Marshal of the Balkans, Liberator of Konstantinyye, Prefect of Praefectura Turciola, Victor over the False Bishop, Lord of the Orient & Occident, Heir to Constantine, Restorer of the World.
 
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Claim all the Romes? Groogy, if you don't control Moscow by the end of this game, you lose all right to call yourself Roman Emperor.

Moscow was never capital of the Roman Empire.

Rome
Milan
Augusta Treverorum (Trier)
Sirmium (Serbia)
Ravenna
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Constantinople
Syracuse

I don't think that is unreasonable, anyone trying to rebuild the Roman Empire would claim most of those, Trier being the obvious outlier.
 
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I think the Rurik's considered themselves to be the successor of Rome at a time at least. The link came as the last Byzantine princess married into the family. I think it was Ivan the Great?

There are plenty of successors, whether it is by blood, land or culture. But whilst the Roman Empire stood, as an actual entity, those were the only known capitals for it.