Like I've said repeatedly, Groogy's position isn't as strong as it looks due to Wiz.
It's still among the strongest because of his ability to just expand east with out a player in the way.
Like I've said repeatedly, Groogy's position isn't as strong as it looks due to Wiz.
Like I've said repeatedly, Groogy's position isn't as strong as it looks due to Wiz.
You already said the big weakness - office politics. Venice is a fickle alliance. Poland and Russia have Ottomans as overall neutral since he backed both sides. And Wiz is the diplomatic master of the office. If there's anyone who can work a good deal to get coalition on someone, it's going to be Wiz.It's incredibly strong, he has no current enemies to the north as he's supported both Poland and Muscovy, he appears to have some kind of deal with Venice and he has a deal with Ethiopia and possibly Morocco.
I don't really see how his position could be any stronger. Obviously the players are renowned for their office politics and diplomacy, but the goal is victory points, not world conquest and he's unopposed at the moment so he can go after those points.
Hey, if you read any of my long-arse posts you'd see that I never doubted you! On my most to least endangered countries list you are on the least endangered side. Currently you are very influential, but remember: nothing lasts forever!It kinda hurts everyone is ignoring I probably have the most playtime in the EU series at the office (besides ForzaA)
Sure Wiz is definitely better than me diplomatically but when it comes to theory craft and min maxing I am pretty sure I come out on the upper hand. Long time ago in one of our earliest streams, the one for Conquest of Paradise I believe. Me as the lowly Hansa beat Netherlands and France(Wiz) into a white peace after they attacked me.
Also when I was Egypt, Ming(Johan) and Malaya(Jakob) invaded me, he payed Ottomans(Mr. Nibbles) to attack me... what happened? Ming had to white peace me after I had occupied a third or half of China because I wanted to westernize and Ottomans got split apart between Hungary, Me and Lithuania.
Sure, Wiz turn all of Europe against me? I can see him pulling that off if he wanted to, but what would be the outcome? I lose Constantinople at most which would definitely suck but Ethiopia would be gone from the game according to the track record. I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.
TL;DR
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You will never know how many exploits have been fixed because I used them against JohanExploits that has been in the series for 8 years or more.
Oh you innocent childGroogy, we bug you out of love, to the best of my knowledge you have never shitted all over Byz lovers like Wiz...
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Sure, Wiz turn all of Europe against me? I can see him pulling that off if he wanted to, but what would be the outcome? I lose Constantinople at most which would definitely suck but Ethiopia would be gone from the game according to the track record. I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.
I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.
Not doubting you ability wise, just saying that you're in an odd position of being simultaneously extremely strong and in a position of immense vulnerability. probability speaking, i'm doubting 1550 victory cards have them land on you for 4-5 players. I also don't think Wiz will coalition Europe against you for no reason or anytime soon. I mean if holy sites are a big deal for him then there is always the option of exchanging them for a powerful and strong alliance. Just likely around 1650 due to your position you'll likely have at least 3-4 major powers with victory cards on you unless the area is thinned out more and that's the time to really worry. Eastern Europe is very player heavy this run and there are a lot of players in a small space with little room to expand. You have the ability to expand so coming to terms with each other to expand into you before you get big enough to oppose them all is a real possibility.It kinda hurts everyone is ignoring I probably have the most playtime in the EU series at the office (besides ForzaA)
Sure Wiz is definitely better than me diplomatically but when it comes to theory craft and min maxing I am pretty sure I come out on the upper hand. Long time ago in one of our earliest streams, the one for Conquest of Paradise I believe. Me as the lowly Hansa beat Netherlands and France(Wiz) into a white peace after they attacked me.
Also when I was Egypt, Ming(Johan) and Malaya(Jakob) invaded me, he payed Ottomans(Mr. Nibbles) to attack me... what happened? Ming had to white peace me after I had occupied a third or half of China because I wanted to westernize and Ottomans got split apart between Hungary, Me and Lithuania.
Sure, Wiz turn all of Europe against me? I can see him pulling that off if he wanted to, but what would be the outcome? I lose Constantinople at most which would definitely suck but Ethiopia would be gone from the game according to the track record. I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.
TL;DR
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You will never know how many exploits have been fixed because I used them against JohanExploits that has been in the series for 8 years or more.
What is Britain doing on the boat with Eastern Europeans
I love it
What is Britain doing on the boat with Eastern Europeans? Also, love the eye
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Glad to be able to please.I love it
I shall refer to the Ottoman Empire as having the tenacity of the noble whale Moby Dick in its final hours!
It kinda hurts everyone is ignoring I probably have the most playtime in the EU series at the office (besides ForzaA)
Sure Wiz is definitely better than me diplomatically but when it comes to theory craft and min maxing I am pretty sure I come out on the upper hand. Long time ago in one of our earliest streams, the one for Conquest of Paradise I believe. Me as the lowly Hansa beat Netherlands and France(Wiz) into a white peace after they attacked me.
Also when I was Egypt, Ming(Johan) and Malaya(Jakob) invaded me, he payed Ottomans(Mr. Nibbles) to attack me... what happened? Ming had to white peace me after I had occupied a third or half of China because I wanted to westernize and Ottomans got split apart between Hungary, Me and Lithuania.
Sure, Wiz turn all of Europe against me? I can see him pulling that off if he wanted to, but what would be the outcome? I lose Constantinople at most which would definitely suck but Ethiopia would be gone from the game according to the track record. I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.
TL;DR
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You will never know how many exploits have been fixed because I used them against JohanExploits that has been in the series for 8 years or more.
While groogy is in a great position.. We've run 5 campaigns before with him in it .
He has never been top 8 in the end.
Ps. I was morocco when you whitepeaced me as Hansa...
I do wonder how politics in the office are conducted somewhat. If it's a toss up between two sides, why would people be inclined to go with Johan Or Wiz while they aren't necessarily better on the battlefield? Is it popularity, them being their superior, respect for the old grizzled veterans, them offering better deals, or fear they will be diplomatically isolated later in the game?
In multiplayer setups like these, I'd say you'd mostly get powerful by the grace of others. Will you guys let Johan and Wiz dictate another game, or will you break the chains and make sure they at least won't end on top?
(Ps. Nothing against Johan or Wiz; I just think it would be quite amusing to see others end up on top, or to see mass breaking agreements)