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Like I've said repeatedly, Groogy's position isn't as strong as it looks due to Wiz.

It's incredibly strong, he has no current enemies to the north as he's supported both Poland and Muscovy, he appears to have some kind of deal with Venice and he has a deal with Ethiopia and possibly Morocco.

I don't really see how his position could be any stronger. Obviously the players are renowned for their office politics and diplomacy, but the goal is victory points, not world conquest and he's unopposed at the moment so he can go after those points.
 

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It's incredibly strong, he has no current enemies to the north as he's supported both Poland and Muscovy, he appears to have some kind of deal with Venice and he has a deal with Ethiopia and possibly Morocco.

I don't really see how his position could be any stronger. Obviously the players are renowned for their office politics and diplomacy, but the goal is victory points, not world conquest and he's unopposed at the moment so he can go after those points.
You already said the big weakness - office politics. Venice is a fickle alliance. Poland and Russia have Ottomans as overall neutral since he backed both sides. And Wiz is the diplomatic master of the office. If there's anyone who can work a good deal to get coalition on someone, it's going to be Wiz.

Austria will want some hungarian land back from the Turks, Poland will likely back Austria if he decides on that and throws Wiz into the mix since iirc first victory card Poland got was on Thrace area (Constantinople). Promise russia their cores back and maybe some anatolian land and Venice some greek land. It's really not that difficult to imagine a good deal that will really, really hurt Groogy. Granted none of this would likely happen before 1550, but depending on Victory Cards can make this much, much more likely.
 

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It kinda hurts everyone is ignoring I probably have the most playtime in the EU series at the office (besides ForzaA) :(
Sure Wiz is definitely better than me diplomatically but when it comes to theory craft and min maxing I am pretty sure I come out on the upper hand. Long time ago in one of our earliest streams, the one for Conquest of Paradise I believe. Me as the lowly Hansa beat Netherlands and France(Wiz) into a white peace after they attacked me.

Also when I was Egypt, Ming(Johan) and Malaya(Jakob) invaded me, he payed Ottomans(Mr. Nibbles) to attack me... what happened? Ming had to white peace me after I had occupied a third or half of China because I wanted to westernize and Ottomans got split apart between Hungary, Me and Lithuania.

Sure, Wiz turn all of Europe against me? I can see him pulling that off if he wanted to, but what would be the outcome? I lose Constantinople at most which would definitely suck but Ethiopia would be gone from the game according to the track record. I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.


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You will never know how many exploits have been fixed because I used them against Johan :D Exploits that has been in the series for 8 years or more.
 
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It kinda hurts everyone is ignoring I probably have the most playtime in the EU series at the office (besides ForzaA) :(
Sure Wiz is definitely better than me diplomatically but when it comes to theory craft and min maxing I am pretty sure I come out on the upper hand. Long time ago in one of our earliest streams, the one for Conquest of Paradise I believe. Me as the lowly Hansa beat Netherlands and France(Wiz) into a white peace after they attacked me.

Also when I was Egypt, Ming(Johan) and Malaya(Jakob) invaded me, he payed Ottomans(Mr. Nibbles) to attack me... what happened? Ming had to white peace me after I had occupied a third or half of China because I wanted to westernize and Ottomans got split apart between Hungary, Me and Lithuania.

Sure, Wiz turn all of Europe against me? I can see him pulling that off if he wanted to, but what would be the outcome? I lose Constantinople at most which would definitely suck but Ethiopia would be gone from the game according to the track record. I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.


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You will never know how many exploits have been fixed because I used them against Johan :D Exploits that has been in the series for 8 years or more.
Hey, if you read any of my long-arse posts you'd see that I never doubted you! On my most to least endangered countries list you are on the least endangered side. Currently you are very influential, but remember: nothing lasts forever!

I did say that for now you are far stronger than Wiz, so maybe you should do it... Uproot the weed before it becomes too strong. Destroy Wiz to the point of no return, get rid of a potential future bane and secure that front forever. Maybe you could even have Songhai help you. I really don't think Austria-Poland are in the position to attack you, certainly not on Ethiopia's behalf. What could Wiz possibly offer that would be more enticing than their own survival? He has no immediate bargaining chip to offer. If anyone was to be at risk it would be Muscovy, which I'm pretty you'd still be able to rescue from utter defeat. Just make sure Venice is on the same page.
 

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I supported Groogy in he last Dev MP and I support him now. Well done on the institutions! I'm gonna be really impressed if he manages to get Printing Press to spawn in Athens. ;)
 
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Groogy, we bug you out of love, to the best of my knowledge you have never shitted all over Byz lovers like Wiz...
Oh you innocent child :rolleyes:
 

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Sure, Wiz turn all of Europe against me? I can see him pulling that off if he wanted to, but what would be the outcome? I lose Constantinople at most which would definitely suck but Ethiopia would be gone from the game according to the track record. I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.

I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.
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It kinda hurts everyone is ignoring I probably have the most playtime in the EU series at the office (besides ForzaA) :(
Sure Wiz is definitely better than me diplomatically but when it comes to theory craft and min maxing I am pretty sure I come out on the upper hand. Long time ago in one of our earliest streams, the one for Conquest of Paradise I believe. Me as the lowly Hansa beat Netherlands and France(Wiz) into a white peace after they attacked me.

Also when I was Egypt, Ming(Johan) and Malaya(Jakob) invaded me, he payed Ottomans(Mr. Nibbles) to attack me... what happened? Ming had to white peace me after I had occupied a third or half of China because I wanted to westernize and Ottomans got split apart between Hungary, Me and Lithuania.

Sure, Wiz turn all of Europe against me? I can see him pulling that off if he wanted to, but what would be the outcome? I lose Constantinople at most which would definitely suck but Ethiopia would be gone from the game according to the track record. I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.


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You will never know how many exploits have been fixed because I used them against Johan :D Exploits that has been in the series for 8 years or more.
Not doubting you ability wise, just saying that you're in an odd position of being simultaneously extremely strong and in a position of immense vulnerability. probability speaking, i'm doubting 1550 victory cards have them land on you for 4-5 players. I also don't think Wiz will coalition Europe against you for no reason or anytime soon. I mean if holy sites are a big deal for him then there is always the option of exchanging them for a powerful and strong alliance. Just likely around 1650 due to your position you'll likely have at least 3-4 major powers with victory cards on you unless the area is thinned out more and that's the time to really worry. Eastern Europe is very player heavy this run and there are a lot of players in a small space with little room to expand. You have the ability to expand so coming to terms with each other to expand into you before you get big enough to oppose them all is a real possibility.

You're a wildcard overall Groogy. I just see you as doing one extreme or the other this game. The fact is you're talented enough and have shown in this game for the most part so far that you can take a top position if you put your mind to it. On the flip side I can also see you letting your early positioning get to your head and get surpassed and lose the gains you've made by thinking you're a lot stronger than you are. Your destiny for this game is very much in your hands. I mean, it'd be nice to see you break the top 4% :p. You and Zeke are some of my more favored office personalities so I'm usually hoping for the best with you two. Granted if Jake ever plays a streamed session my support is fully behind him since he's the one who got me into EU4 like 2 years ago :p
 

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What is Britain doing on the boat with Eastern Europeans :eek:? Also, love the eye ;).

EDIT: I just remembered why.

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I call it Johan the Terrible :p.
 
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What is Britain doing on the boat with Eastern Europeans :eek:? Also, love the eye ;).

Colonial conflicts with Groottomans? I mean, there were five guys in that boat and I needed to put someone there (plus, it was supposed to be a Europe-wide coalition and I wasn't sure if Burgundy was going to make it long enough to go after the Ottomans and Portugal is...Portugal).

All hail our dark lord Groogy, the Kayser-i-Rûm, son of Muhammad, brother of the sun and moon, grandson and viceroy of God, Commander of the Faithful, Basileus of Macedonia, Kral of al Sham, Prince of Wallachia, Despot of Serbia, Keeper of Africa, Overlord of the New World, and all of his greatness!

I love it :p

I shall refer to the Ottoman Empire as having the tenacity of the noble whale Moby Dick in its final hours!
Glad to be able to please.

I think the working title of that will be "Groogy Dick(s everyone else over)"
 
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It kinda hurts everyone is ignoring I probably have the most playtime in the EU series at the office (besides ForzaA) :(
Sure Wiz is definitely better than me diplomatically but when it comes to theory craft and min maxing I am pretty sure I come out on the upper hand. Long time ago in one of our earliest streams, the one for Conquest of Paradise I believe. Me as the lowly Hansa beat Netherlands and France(Wiz) into a white peace after they attacked me.

Also when I was Egypt, Ming(Johan) and Malaya(Jakob) invaded me, he payed Ottomans(Mr. Nibbles) to attack me... what happened? Ming had to white peace me after I had occupied a third or half of China because I wanted to westernize and Ottomans got split apart between Hungary, Me and Lithuania.

Sure, Wiz turn all of Europe against me? I can see him pulling that off if he wanted to, but what would be the outcome? I lose Constantinople at most which would definitely suck but Ethiopia would be gone from the game according to the track record. I am pretty sure in my last death throes, I would decimate whoever turned on me before I went down.


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You will never know how many exploits have been fixed because I used them against Johan :D Exploits that has been in the series for 8 years or more.


*cough*

I got more.
 
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While groogy is in a great position.. We've run 5 campaigns before with him in it .

He has never been top 8 in the end.

Ps. I was morocco when you whitepeaced me as Hansa...
 
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While groogy is in a great position.. We've run 5 campaigns before with him in it .

He has never been top 8 in the end.

Ps. I was morocco when you whitepeaced me as Hansa...

Not the war where I invaded you in the final session. But okay, yes the war where France and Netherlands invaded me, yes you did white peace me.
 

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I do wonder how politics in the office are conducted somewhat. If it's a toss up between two sides, why would people be inclined to go with Johan Or Wiz while they aren't necessarily better on the battlefield? Is it popularity, them being their superior, respect for the old grizzled veterans, them offering better deals, or fear they will be diplomatically isolated later in the game?

In multiplayer setups like these, I'd say you'd mostly get powerful by the grace of others. Will you guys let Johan and Wiz dictate another game, or will you break the chains and make sure they at least won't end on top?


(Ps. Nothing against Johan or Wiz; I just think it would be quite amusing to see others end up on top, or to see mass breaking agreements :D)
 
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I do wonder how politics in the office are conducted somewhat. If it's a toss up between two sides, why would people be inclined to go with Johan Or Wiz while they aren't necessarily better on the battlefield? Is it popularity, them being their superior, respect for the old grizzled veterans, them offering better deals, or fear they will be diplomatically isolated later in the game?

In multiplayer setups like these, I'd say you'd mostly get powerful by the grace of others. Will you guys let Johan and Wiz dictate another game, or will you break the chains and make sure they at least won't end on top?


(Ps. Nothing against Johan or Wiz; I just think it would be quite amusing to see others end up on top, or to see mass breaking agreements :D)

I don't know about what goes on behind the scenes, but from what I've seen Groogy usually is quite boastful about his accomplishments or plans, then ends up messing things up somehow. I very much believe this is his game to lose, given the nation he has and great position he is currently in. If he ends up with an office coalition against him, it must be because of something he did or said, rather than because of the game mechanics.
 
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