Paradox Office Multiplayer Campaign V

[Chaingun]

Yeah just talked to him, seems indeed there's no point contesting for Kilwa

 

[Groogy]

Yeah it was gearing up for world war in the game even, why did it have to break

 

[Wizzington]

Refusing all open hands reached out to him, the Austrian Emperor has decided that it is in his best interest to see the French-Burgundian alliance conquer everything around them. While the English Queen does not understand what particular bout of Habsburg madness prompted this, she promises to fight for her allies and against the mad world domination plans of the French Kings. She salutes the stalwart Russians, who, despite this conflict taking place in a distant land, has the wisdom and foresight to know what happens if the French are permitted free reign.

When they came for England, he did not, as the rest of the world, sit quiet and cowed by French aggression.

When they came for England, Russia spoke up.

 

[Groogy]

Grand Principality of Moscow
Великое Княжество Московское​

Rus people wants nothing but Peace and that our Sovereignty is to be acknowledged. Austria last Tuesday during a diplomatic encounter tried to exert dominance and power within what the Grand Prince has declared in his sphere. Such transgressions will not be allowed.

Земля будет дрожать, когда наши войска промаршируют по улицам ваших столиц!

 

[Wizzington]

So Wiz joins hands with Satan.

He only asked for something I wouldn't miss in the first place.

 

[Da9L]

Well, I see the propaganda Groogy has been set loose. I wanted to free french land to their real owners. BUT a unholy alliance were created to stop the freedom of the french people. There were no expansion possibility for France anywhere else while England was taking the natives land. It had to be done but now... nothing will happen. A minute of silence for the trapped french people.

 

[Wizzington]

If freeing the French people was your goal, why did you say that your goal was a French-Burgundian-Austrian alliance 'against the East', or that you'd let France and Burgundy do as they please in the West (read: conquer it all)? It seems to me that you're simply not willing to engage in any conflict with France and Burgundy regardless of self-interest or anything else. I'm certain at this point I could offer you every single French and Burgundian province and you'd still turn it down.

 

[Da9L]

I think you forgot the part, where I said, until you are out of France. And yes, I'm a bit tired of the alliance to the east, it was a box to kill pol/lit and they are done. I wanted to move to a bit I'll help you so you'll help me later alliance type. And should I help a stronger alliance to become stronger or help a weaker to become stronger?

If freeing the French people was your goal, why did you say that your goal was a French-Burgundian-Austrian alliance 'against the East', or that you'd let France and Burgundy do as they please in the West (read: conquer it all)? It seems to me that you're simply not willing to engage in any conflict with France and Burgundy regardless of self-interest or anything else. I'm certain at this point I could offer you every single French and Burgundian province and you'd still turn it down.

 

[Wizzington]

I think you forgot the part, where I said, until you are out of France. And yes, I'm a bit tired of the alliance to the east, it was a box to kill pol/lit and they are done. I wanted to move to a bit I'll help you so you'll help me later alliance type. And should I help a stronger alliance to become stronger or help a weaker to become stronger?

Until I'm out of France, at which point they're already stronger than us and can take us down without your help, which you explicitly did not care about, so it obviously has nothing to do with any kind of balance of power.

 

[Wizzington]

Yeah - instead of having the entire West be dependent on him, Austria wants to make himself dependent on France and Burgundy. It's completely irrational but there's not much I can do about that.

EDIT: To put it in context, there were two offers for Austria on the table today. My alliance offered Naples if he'd help us take back three provinces in Spain for Spain, after which he'd go back to guaranteering both sides.

Outcome: My alliance slightly weakened, their alliance slightly weakened, Austria slightly strengthened.

The other offer was for him to join France and Burgundy, get Naples, and FRA+BUR would take 10-15 provinces from me, after which he'd leave France and Burgundy free to pummel us until we were gone.

Outcome: My alliance vanishes, France and Burgundy massively massively strengthened, Austria slightly strengthened.

Which looks like a better deal to Austria?

 

[Wizzington]

I think that kick the one who has achieved 2nd place averagely from competition will be the greatest option for everyone!

Going after players purely for how they placed last time is a fool's errand - look at yonaz, who is now super-strong in Bahmanis, and the power vacuum in East Europe that emerged. The only ones who benefit from a power vacuum are the ones there to fill it, and you can't win just by having a strategy for someone else to lose.

 

[Wizzington]

France and Burgundy are both very good players.

 

[Chaingun]

@Baron Tanks: There wasn't a stream because we had a new nasty OOS appear. Should be solved by next week.

 

[DDRJake]

There are no foreseeable problems, and tomorrow we should resume our campaign as normal.

I know the team here are as keen as I am to rip each other to shreds liberate Gotland

 

[Da9L]

I am so excited for tomorrow. I really hope that all OoS issues are fixed up. I can't wait to see how the English-French-Austrian political dealings are actually going to go down. A real chance for any of the three to emerge as the dominant superpower depending on how things happen. Of course they could just end up wasting their efforts on each other while the Ottoman, Mughals and Bahmanis grow ever stronger in the east.

Also pretty excited to potentially see the Mamluks grow their name over another piece of wasteland. That maybe my most anticipated Cossacks feature, despite it not really changing anything.

We will see what happens, after all failed negotiations last week, we all have been thinking of the millions of lives that would have been lost and decided to resume the peace talks during lunch tomorrow and see if we cant hinder what would be a horrible, horrible war.

 

[Da9L]

Can someone tell me whzt time this is going to start EST? I am actually going to be out somewhere where I can stream today, and would like to watch it live.

Pretty sure it's 09:00 EST

 

[Chaingun]

Bah crashed, AI triggered massive rebellion (at least I blame AI ). Fixed CTD bug at least.

 

[Wizzington]

Will post stats tomorrow.

 

[Wizzington]

In the Year of our Lord 1562

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## STATS FOR MP ###
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Current Score

1. Bahmanis 1767 (+1.52)
2. Mughals 1661 (+0.49)
3. Ottomans 916 (+1.20)
4. Ming 752 (+0.64)
5. Austria 708 (+2.24)
6. France 682 (+1.76)
7. Burgundy 541 (+0.88)
8. Spain 454 (+1.30)
9. Denmark 389 (+0.72)
10. Portugal 374 (+0.56)
11. Great Britain 364 (+0.00)
12. Russia 328 (+0.37)
13. Mecklenburg 230 (+0.00)
14. Hungary 226 (+0.71)
15. Magdeburg 125 (+0.32)
16. Trier 114 (+0.00)
17. Ulm 101 (+0.00)
18. Nassau 81 (+0.00)
19. Mamluks 79 (+0.08)
20. Bohemia 68 (+0.00)

Development

1. Ming 1246
2. Ottomans 982
3. Mamluks 883
4. Bahmanis 875
5. Mughals 803
6. Hungary 732
7. Spain 715
8. Russia 657
9. Burgundy 649
10. Great Britain 580
11. Austria 562
12. France 536
13. Portugal 458
14. Bohemia 330
15. Japan 295
16. Korea 253
17. Denmark 226
18. Delhi 203
19. Jenné 201
20. Brandenburg 199

Income

1. Bahmanis 97.89
2. Ming 71.17
3. France 64.93
4. Ottomans 64.37
5. Great Britain 59.60
6. Spain 58.46
7. Burgundy 58.11
8. Austria 56.78
9. Mamluks 52.49
10. Mughals 51.21
11. Russia 49.76
12. Hungary 44.13
13. Portugal 30.59
14. Denmark 29.29
15. Bohemia 24.65
16. Japan 22.49
17. Brunei 18.54
18. Pasai 18.52
19. Mutapa 18.27
20. Korea 18.10

Max. Manpower

1. Russia 84,852
2. Bahmanis 83,694
3. Ottomans 81,441
4. Burgundy 68,376
5. Austria 62,123
6. Great Britain 59,994
7. Mamluks 57,212
8. Mughals 53,902
9. Hungary 51,015
10. Spain 50,329
11. Ming 44,909
12. France 44,792
13. Denmark 35,578
14. Bohemia 34,590
15. Korea 34,335
16. Portugal 29,264
17. Brandenburg 28,927
18. Mewar 28,043
19. Buryatia 25,324
20. Japan 24,962

Standing Army

1. Bahmanis 100K
2. Great Britain 90,000
3. Ottomans 90,000
4. Austria 87,000
5. Russia 82,190
6. Ming 78,000
7. Spain 64,680
8. Mamluks 62,000
9. Burgundy 60,000
10. France 60,000
11. Mughals 59,558
12. Hungary 43,000
13. Denmark 38,000
14. Bohemia 28,450
15. Portugal 27,767
16. Japan 25,000
17. Buryatia 23,000
18. Mutapa 21,000
19. Korea 20,631
20. Milan 20,000

War Fleet

1. Ottomans 5/30
2. Ming 12/12
3. Mamluks 0/21
4. Great Britain 20/0
5. Spain 6/14
6. Denmark 0/18
7. Hungary 0/13
8. Korea 0/11
9. France 10/0
10. Japan 0/10
11. Mughals 0/9
12. Pomerania 0/6
13. Syria 0/5
14. The Papal State 0/4
15. Austria 4/0
16. Mecklenburg 0/4
17. Brunei 4/0
18. Danzig 0/4
19. Livonian Order 0/3
20. Burgundy 3/0

Trade Fleet

1. Bahmanis 50
2. Great Britain 30
3. Austria 25
4. Burgundy 23
5. Denmark 22
6. Ming 21
7. Mamluks 20
8. Ottomans 15
9. Spain 14
10. France 14
11. Russia 13
12. Brunei 12
13. Milan 10
14. Portugal 9
15. Sunda 9
16. Khmer 7
17. Korea 6
18. Japan 6
19. Pomerania 5
20. Brandenburg 5

Technologies

1. Austria 39
2. France 39
3. Florence 38
4. Great Britain 37
5. Maryland 37
6. Cologne 37
7. Cleves 37
8. Trier 36
9. Burgundy 36
10. Ottomans 36
11. Bohemia 36
12. Lancastria 36
13. Denmark 35
14. Spain 35
15. Livonian Order 35
16. Sweden 35
17. Pomerania 35
18. Ming 34
19. Milan 34
20. Brandenburg 34

 

[Wizzington]

Yeah, we're currently in a sort of enforced peace because nobody wants to start a world war without knowing they have a good shot at winning. It won't last forever.