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Also Mughals don't gain much from this war, So they might not fight as hard if only Italy had better relations with them. Bahamanis simply secures first place.
I wanted to get provinces from Ottomans, but primarily I wanted to even out the playing field from place 2-8
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Chaos is a ladder and johan is standing at the bottom giving the thing a good shake
In The Year Of Our Lord 1730
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Current Score
- Bahmanis 11349 (+6.90)
- Italy 10997 (+2.58)
- France 9589 (+2.69)
- Mughals 7149 (+3.11)
- Great Britain 6526 (+5.62)
- Burgundy 6194 (+3.21)
- Mamluks 5887 (+6.61)
- Ottomans 5779 (+1.56)
- Russia 4888 (+2.24)
- Ming 4484 (+6.61)
- Portugal 3757 (+3.73)
- Spain 3236 (+0.57)
- Denmark 1939 (+1.43)
- Hungary 677 (+0.00)
- Bohemia 359 (+0.00)
- Sunda 161 (+0.00)
- Lancastria 60 (+0.00)
- Japan 29 (+0.00)
- Gotland 26 (+0.00)
- Pasai 22 (+0.00)
- Portugal 1673
- Bahmanis 1653
- Ming 1600
- Mamluks 1581
- Mughals 1555
- Italy 1515
- Russia 1459
- Great Britain 1327
- Ottomans 1050
- France 1013
- Burgundy 972
- Spain 727
- Hungary 607
- Bohemia 597
- Spanish Apalnosee 550
- Denmark 487
- British Frink 437
- Queensland 297
- Spanish Rewhannock 283
- Khmer 267
- Bahmanis 325.16
- Mamluks 323.69
- Ming 218.89
- Mughals 203.99
- Great Britain 159.67
- Italy 144.92
- Portugal 133.04
- Burgundy 128.43
- France 126.66
- Russia 122.06
- Denmark 98.85
- Ottomans 97.54
- Bohemia 65.21
- Spain 60.46
- Hungary 52.15
- Spanish Apalnosee 51.36
- British Frink 34.35
- Khmer 30.95
- Queensland 25.25
- Syria 25.13
- Russia 241K
- Ming 213K
- Bahmanis 205K
- Italy 200K
- Mughals 189K
- Mamluks 176K
- Burgundy 175K
- Ottomans 127K
- France 111K
- Bohemia 111K
- Great Britain 107K
- Hungary 89,380
- Portugal 72,172
- Denmark 71,033
- Spanish Apalnosee 54,777
- British Frink 48,480
- Spain 46,432
- Queensland 32,863
- Khmer 31,006
- Spanish Rewhannock 29,250
- Bahmanis 393K
- Ming 340K
- Mughals 258K
- Mamluks 231K
- Italy 219K
- Ottomans 155K
- Great Britain 153K
- Russia 141K
- Burgundy 118K
- Portugal 102K
- France 92,340
- Spanish Apalnosee 57,871
- Bohemia 56,895
- Denmark 47,962
- Spain 45,791
- British Frink 45,000
- Hungary 37,271
- Spanish Rewhannock 27,922
- Maryland 26,970
- Portuguese Australia 26,000
- Great Britain 70/14
- Bahmanis 61/0
- Burgundy 52/0
- Spain 30/0
- Portugal 27/0
- Denmark 13/13
- Mamluks 24/0
- France 20/0
- Russia 17/0
- Ming 11/0
- Mughals 0/9
- Gotland 0/9
- Sunda 8/0
- Brunei 7/0
- Khmer 5/0
- Tlemcen 0/5
- Italy 0/4
- Syria 0/3
- Tidore 2/0
- Maldives 1/0
- Great Britain 104
- Denmark 51
- Mamluks 49
- Bahmanis 45
- Portugal 40
- Spain 34
- Mughals 34
- France 30
- Queensland 29
- Portuguese Australia 25
- Spanish Apalnosee 23
- Burgundy 17
- British Frink 17
- Lancastria 16
- Spanish Sattisa 14
- Ming 13
- Spanish Rewhannock 13
- Little Francia 13
- Sunda 11
- Brunei 11
- Mamluks 78
- Spain 78
- France 78
- Burgundy 77
- Bohemia 77
- Italy 77
- Great Britain 76
- New Francia 76
- Bahmanis 76
- Spanish Apalnosee 76
- Spanish Sattisa 76
- Little Francia 76
- Portuguese Sarpig 76
- Portugal 75
- Queensland 75
- Lancastria 75
- Ming 75
- Spanish Rewhannock 75
- British Kameloso 75
- Antarctic Francia 75
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This is exactly what we should have done, however our brains don't seem to work that well under pressure
The 50% warscore that you need to force someone out of the war is a bitch, just getting 41% against Spain from having most of Iberia seiged down didn't quite do it.
Well focusing down a country is easier said then done when you're literally being attacked everywhere. By the time you finish you might find your home land fully occupied.
A salty soup was brewed this MPLAYER session. Italy will still be very powerful afterwards so Daniel don't worry too much. This alliance block will break apart fast and I sense the focus is about to shift to india.
Build up those forts yonaz or you may come to regret it.
Build up those forts yonaz or you may come to regret it.
I think its a bit lame that they want 100% separate peaces just because they didn't set Italy as co-belligerent. I bet this wont be forgotten soon.
On sidenote, I hope you remembered to destroy HRE, when you had Madrid sieged.
On sidenote, I hope you remembered to destroy HRE, when you had Madrid sieged.
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Such an act would be unacceptable as the Tsar only recognize one Co-Emperor with the Eastern Empire that is Russia. Tsar Pavel have always and will always regard the Lord-Mayor of Gotland as the true inheritor of the Western Roman Empire and any attempts to threaten the sovereignty of the Western Roman Emperor is an attack on the Russian Empire.
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your fleetnumbers are really low for 1730.
Exspecially UK, what ideas did he pick? UK without colos in 1730 should have around 150 heavies, 800 lights, a trader in every trade node and leech money from rest of world.
NFL: Exploration +25%, maritim +50%, expansion + maritim +33% and trade idea for merchants, are 4 of 8 slots, rest into mil ideas.
Buildings dock plus drydock +6 NFL per province
UK island province number: 30 + 25*6=180*2,13 =383 basic naval forcelimit.
When he puts 150 lights in venice, 150 lights in genoa (with a trader who collects there), 150 light in constaniople.
With colos his number should be simply higher.
The 150 heavies make sure that nobody tries to DOW this navy. After securing european trade, england can start leeching of india. So late in game, a trade fleet with 50 heavies + 150 light ships pay for themself. even when you are nearly 3 times over naval forcelimit.
And if england gets bored, he simply trade war rest of europe with blockade ports goal. so that every european major has to give england 50% of there tradepower.
When it is really about France + Italy+ ottman, a UK with ,my idea setup should be able to solo this 3 countries in the next 10 years.
Take 20 loans (should be around 20*500=10000 gold) and bring up your navy. scout france, italy, ottman main navy bases, justify trade war, park your heavies in front of there habors and use your light ships to get every port of this 3 nations blockaded.
Use a small siege army to siege islands they have, which they cannot protect.
DOW this 3 countires without calling your allies. Get your 30-40% warscore through blockading ports plus island sieges. Peace out for trade power or the islands.
even when this 3 countries now start a navy programm, they need years to build up a little navy, and there income gets trouble to feed there armies.
When england sits on 0% land maintance most of the time.
Exspecially UK, what ideas did he pick? UK without colos in 1730 should have around 150 heavies, 800 lights, a trader in every trade node and leech money from rest of world.
NFL: Exploration +25%, maritim +50%, expansion + maritim +33% and trade idea for merchants, are 4 of 8 slots, rest into mil ideas.
Buildings dock plus drydock +6 NFL per province
UK island province number: 30 + 25*6=180*2,13 =383 basic naval forcelimit.
When he puts 150 lights in venice, 150 lights in genoa (with a trader who collects there), 150 light in constaniople.
With colos his number should be simply higher.
The 150 heavies make sure that nobody tries to DOW this navy. After securing european trade, england can start leeching of india. So late in game, a trade fleet with 50 heavies + 150 light ships pay for themself. even when you are nearly 3 times over naval forcelimit.
And if england gets bored, he simply trade war rest of europe with blockade ports goal. so that every european major has to give england 50% of there tradepower.
When it is really about France + Italy+ ottman, a UK with ,my idea setup should be able to solo this 3 countries in the next 10 years.
Take 20 loans (should be around 20*500=10000 gold) and bring up your navy. scout france, italy, ottman main navy bases, justify trade war, park your heavies in front of there habors and use your light ships to get every port of this 3 nations blockaded.
Use a small siege army to siege islands they have, which they cannot protect.
DOW this 3 countires without calling your allies. Get your 30-40% warscore through blockading ports plus island sieges. Peace out for trade power or the islands.
even when this 3 countries now start a navy programm, they need years to build up a little navy, and there income gets trouble to feed there armies.
When england sits on 0% land maintance most of the time.
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Really should have grabbed a screenshot from earlier in the war so Bohemia and the Ottomans could be included in the green, but this is impressive all the same. Helluva job to all the people who organized the fight. Stay strong, Fritaly. Do not go quietly into the night! Do not vanish without a fight!
I don't know Daniel obviously, but that was kind of funny. They did not persecute that war particularly well, but I it would have been very hard to win in any case, I am not judging them for getting to where they are now. They could still "win" in that the alliance does not have particularly good unit cohesion and France and Italy seem to have better communication.
Can you guys get Bohemia to revoke military access or something, that would slow down enemy troop movement quite a lot.
Can you guys get Bohemia to revoke military access or something, that would slow down enemy troop movement quite a lot.
Thank you to the devs for a great stream. DDRJake is doing a great job narrating and with the after streaming interviews. My love for EU 4 have returned. I started watching the latest streams on twitch and ended up watching this stream from episode one on youtube.
During the latest stream i was curious about how the war went for the colonial nations. I expect the french colonies was overwhelmed early in the war by the other AI colonies?
Keep up the good work.
During the latest stream i was curious about how the war went for the colonial nations. I expect the french colonies was overwhelmed early in the war by the other AI colonies?
Keep up the good work.
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I am hugely looking forward to the stream tomorrow. I watched World War Wednesday just to see if Daniel had calmed down even though he would be sitting across from Johan, and to his remarkable credit lol, he had.
Just chiming in to agree. This is the most fun I had watching EU4, or any gaming for that matter, in a long time, and that includes DDRJake's single player campaigns. Fantastic job by everyone at Paradox, be it players, the caster (Jake) and all the people behind the scenes who help to produce this content! The growing pains (audiosync issues etc) seem to be fixed, and now it is simply awesome.
I like to flatter myself by thinking I goaded them last November into putting some effort into the youtubez
:And to anyone who had no interest in watching before: I strongly suggest you give it a try, it is well worth it!
WWW is just Italy fast-forwarded a few centuries later. He built up a lot of revanchism over the years, went fascist because of it, and that's how we've ended up with "Germany" advancing upon the lands of those who ruined him back in the 18th century.
Also, I think it's safe to say that Britain is the one who hasn't calmed down over all of this years. Still jealous that Austro-Italian-Polish-Prussian-NGF-Livonian Order-Germany is winning the game.
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Why do people disagree with this? I'm curious because I've read about this strategy before but never found any details on it. Would be interested in why the strat works / does not work.
Unless you have found a trick to get the drydock to NOT replace the dock, you only get the +4 from the drydock.
It'll take some masterful diplomacy to get into range of all of those without tipping anyone off.
Either you get everyone to go against you at the same time (and believe me, France + Spain+ Italy (or whoever) + Ottomans can muster a fair fleet if you're going to bully them like that - they don't need to beat your heavies, they just need to make sure you can't keep your lights trading profitably.
Or they could reroute trade / collect elsewhere / Embargo to limit the value of these trade nodes.. Good luck paying for your fleet then.
I'm not saying it's impossible to pull off - but I am saying it'll take some careful work to do so, and not get smacked down halfway through.
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This sounds fine and good if you are bottled up in the isles and your opponents are reactive rather than proactive. It doesn't work against opponents who have no reservations about teaming up (say, all coworkers?), when you hold accessible-by-land territory (eg Norway, low countries, korea), and it doesn't work if your opponents are keeping tabs on your naval developments and responding with buildup of their own long before you hit that size. It's not like they have to match your navy, they just have to match the navy in their respective node and DOW you when on top of it, oldschool byz strat style.
Finally, and most importantly, I don't see how this results in victory cards or otherwise wins you the score game.
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