Paradox Office Multiplayer Campaign V

[Groogy]

Good that Groogy will take over Muscovy, its been such a pain watching the AI doing nothing with the opportunities present(weak PLC -> Strong Muscovy). Might be a too late now though but I hope he can swing it.

I did kick Muscovy's ass and forced them to peace with me as Lithuania, that's why they got nothing. Now I am gonna have to repair the nation I destroyed. I was never weak really, maybe not optimal but I had a plan to pull myself trough the crisis of Ottoman invasion but the "herpa derp no peace" bullshit kinda ruined that.

 

[Groogy]

So I am trying ot get into the mindset of a Russian. It goes something a bit like this I think?

edit: Updated after feedback from Russian colleague.

 

[Groogy]

Why is Russia letting England conquer the world in that picture?

Fixed

 

[Groogy]

Is it supposed to all be green? If you leave only that white rump state as "Russia" you are leaving out very important core regions, like Kiev, and Constantinople.

The joke is that all of Europe will be Russian, except Russia itself
Green is the color of Imperial Russia

 

[Groogy]

Glad I could help. I was worried you were going to just surrender to Wiz!

Pff Mother Russia shall build a bridge to the silly Island Dwellers by dumping the corpses of our enemies in the channel.

 

[Groogy]

That tactic is legitimately inspired by AI behavior though.

It's not, it is commonly used when you want to completely break another player so he can't recover. Just because you can make a correlation doesn't make it the same thing.

 

[Groogy]

Yes? How does that differ from what I said? It is not the same reasoning between players in a MP and an AI against a player just because you see a similar end result.

 

[Groogy]

stuff

So you realized you were wrong and are now derailing to my rant from few pages ago just throwing in that it comes from the AI and throwing in some rebels for good measure?
*slow clap* very impressed

If you are here just to do random complaints of your pet peeves, this is not the thread for it.

 

[Groogy]

No, I'm pointing out that the design, as it stands right now, very much *encourages* exactly what happened to you.

Yes you are reiterating my rant from a few pages ago and are switching topic to that when you first claimed players acted this way as inspiration from AI.

That tactic is legitimately inspired by AI behavior though.

Players don't do it because they've seen the AI do it (since the AI has no actual concept of "screwing with you"), players do it because it is beneficial for them in the long run because it makes eating up the other guy easier. Players has gotten this concept from fighting AI or players and winning over the them it's better to completely destroy the other so in a few years later he haven't recovered yet since you control when you peace. The AI will guaranteed peace when it gets what is its strategic goals, the player not so much.

You are now just slapping on the AI argument to it and switching it to fit your view so you can feel right even though your initial comment was off and to add on to it are derailing a thread even though I told you to not to. I already said I am working on fixing it, why do you insist on complaining about it and bringing up your specific pet peeves and ad-hocing it to the issue?

 

[Groogy]

So you are just arguing for the sake of arguing and try to prove yourself better? I haven't disputed that for the player it's better for the player to just keep the war going. You are however wrong on Ai behavior that giving the AI the demands it wants will make it refuse the peace. The 100% warscore might kill you if you are small enough but it's more probable that majority of players are stubborn and won't give up a single piece of land even if it will save then from a spiral of death. That is what my 8 years experience in MP say. The players that win the campaign are usually not those.

If you have such a need to show yourself superior I'm not going to satisfy it for you. The discussion is over and fruitless because you are just ranting and not actually keeping a discussion, reiterating points that has already been made for no purpose that is also besides the original topic. I will keep this thread clean, if you have problems with that you can pm me.

 

[Wizzington]

TMIT: You are incorrect about the AI using this strategy deliberately.

Now, enough of this derail.

 

[DDRJake]

Due to the office move, there will be no streaming of the office MP this week.

We'll be setting up our streaming equipment when it arrives this week and plan to be back up and running next Tuesday at the usual time of 15:00 CET

Do not despair however. We won't be playing this week either, so you won't be missing out on any of the action.

 

[Wizzington]

Will you join in and play today then?

We won't be playing this week.

 

[Wizzington]

There will be a dev diary on Thursday.

 

[Wizzington]

Sorry, I meant on Thursday. Days blending together.

 

[Groogy]

One of the ideas was to put me in one of the Tengri hordes but the lack of a dependable Muscovy player showed to be more important.

It was funny to imagine me to put all of Europe on their knees to the great Khan as revenge.

 

[Groogy]

Grand Principality of Moscow
Великое Княжество Московское​

Tomorrow I shall be reborn as the ruler of Muscovy! The Grand Duke of the Muscovites shall denounce the Mongol Yoke and position the Russians in the sun for all of Europe to see! With the fall of the decrepit Lithuanian Duke we shall free the Russians and unite under one flag lead by the mightiest city of them all. Long live Moscow, City of Cities, The Third Rome!

Земля будет дрожать, когда наши войска промаршируют по улицам ваших столиц!

 

[Groogy]

I'm afraid that Ottomans-Hungary-Austria will find you and kill you.

15:00 CET this time?

No you shall see tomorrow in the stream I have become something much greater beyond my mortal body.

 

[Groogy]

Is it happening today?

Yes unless something breaks last second we are on schedule to play and stream today. Russia gotta expand! It is the natural order of things.

 

[Groogy]

is groogy wearing some kind of creepy contact lenses or what

What are you talking about?