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Denmark with Jan Mayen's bonuses?
 

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What could it all mean?
I kinda assume the name Secret Denmark is a place holder/joke and if we really find the kingdom of the vikings of Vinland it would be called either New Denmark or perhaps simply Vinland. Although it would be cool if there were more than 1 fantasy empire based on Lief Erikson and the vikings of Vinland

Also I feel like you guys need to modify the search for the seven cities for when certain fantasy empires actually exist
 

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Stop teasing and tell us now.

Look behind you; it is Riga! *Checks Jake's computer while he hides*


Now that would be sweet.
So much this. Has it been confirmed there is one Viking empire?
I suppose it isn't confirmed, but that what I assume the "Secret Denmark" screen shot is meant to tell us, especially after they confirmed the whole fantasy empires in the RNW thing
 
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Also I feel like you guys need to modify the search for the seven cities for when certain fantasy empires actually exist

That would actually be really neat for people with El Dorado and Conquest of Paradise. "I sent my conquistador to search for the Seven Cities of Gold, and whaddaya know, he found them! And they have better mil tech than me and they're aggressive and they just declared war and they're wiping out my colonies and oh the humanity...!"
 
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Great game thus far, its obvious the Ottoman's are the premier force on the worldstage, and unless nobody stops them they'll dominate from the balkans to steppes to arabia. The only way I can see an Ottoman Empire in check, is an alliance setup between the Mamlukes, with either the Timurid's which seems like a logical choice as they're barely expanding in eachother's way, or Hungary/Austria.

The only thing that disappoints me is Muscovy. I understand real life, but damn, you signed up for a large game, and a major nation, and miss the FIRST TWO sessions. By time the third session comes about, he's going to lose his golden opportunity to take his region. I didn't understand it, I think in the first session AI Muscovy declared war on Groogy for Smolensk, and the AI ended up, not getting it? Weird. Had there been a player here since the first session, Muscovy would've taken eastern Lithuania by now, Livonian Order, half of Novgorod, half of Golden Horse, and pushed into Nogai by now. The Muscovy player would arguably be in the top three too, but at this point whomever is playing Muscovy isn't coming back. Their nation is dead. The whole eastern europe is going to be split between the Ottoman's and Hungarian's. The Hungarian player should take Aristocratic to significantly solidify his position, and beamline like the Ottoman's into the rich Ruthenian and Russsian provinces.
 

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The only thing that disappoints me is Muscovy. I understand real life, but damn, you signed up for a large game, and a major nation, and miss the FIRST TWO sessions. By time the third session comes about, he's going to lose his golden opportunity to take his region. I didn't understand it, I think in the first session AI Muscovy declared war on Groogy for Smolensk, and the AI ended up, not getting it? Weird. Had there been a player here since the first session, Muscovy would've taken eastern Lithuania by now, Livonian Order, half of Novgorod, half of Golden Horse, and pushed into Nogai by now. The Muscovy player would arguably be in the top three too, but at this point whomever is playing Muscovy isn't coming back. Their nation is dead. The whole eastern europe is going to be split between the Ottoman's and Hungarian's. The Hungarian player should take Aristocratic to significantly solidify his position, and beamline like the Ottoman's into the rich Ruthenian and Russsian provinces.

I don't get it either. Is there money on the line? You have two new players that died; one of them could certainly have been handed Muscovy in the second session. Frankly, missing the first session is bad enough, but once the second comes along it really is time to just back off and walk away. I think it's frankly just selfish to go two sessions in a row keeping Muscovy in can't-touch mode while this Mandy person is forced over to Korea (at least the other one got a solid Indian nation like they probably wanted). It really makes that eastern Europe situation kind of stupid, especially when this floundering AI's major accomplishment seems to just be harassing a clearly losing human player.
 

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I don't get it either. Is there money on the line? You have two new players that died; one of them could certainly have been handed Muscovy in the second session. Frankly, missing the first session is bad enough, but once the second comes along it really is time to just back off and walk away. I think it's frankly just selfish to go two sessions in a row keeping Muscovy in can't-touch mode while this Mandy person is forced over to Korea (at least the other one got a solid Indian nation like they probably wanted). It really makes that eastern Europe situation kind of stupid, especially when this floundering AI's major accomplishment seems to just be harassing a clearly losing human player.
Mandy played something else in the first session?

Also as clearly seen in the person who was supposed to play Muscowy was having computer trouble; the chat talked about disk errors. You cannot be blamed for that.
 

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Mandy played something else in the first session?

Also as clearly seen in the person who was supposed to play Muscowy was having computer trouble; the chat talked about disk errors. You cannot be blamed for that.

I thought she was one of the two who started in India and died. I could be wrong. I know one person came back as the victorious Indian, and thought the other was her... ejected to Korea.

Look, I know, it sucks, but at some point when you're staring at a second missed game it comes time to walk away from it. Even last second. Or AT LEAST just drop the protections against human players and let Lithuania and maybe Sweden carve it up.
 

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I thought she was one of the two who started in India and died.
Might have beeb; didn't catch the first stream.
Or AT LEAST just drop the protections against human players and let Lithuania and maybe Sweden carve it up.
Neither LIT not SWE were in a position to take things from MUS.
 

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Mandy played something else in the first session?

Also as clearly seen in the person who was supposed to play Muscowy was having computer trouble; the chat talked about disk errors. You cannot be blamed for that.
Mandy was Jaunpur in the first session. Got killed so moved to Korea for second.
Yonaz was Poland in the first session. Got killed so moved to Bahmanis for second.
Azu was Vijayanagar in the first session. God killed so moved to Ouchi for the second.

@yerm: I believe Paradox has a house rule where a nation is "safe" for like 2 or so sessions.
 

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: I believe Paradox has a house rule where a nation is "safe" for like 2 or so sessions.
One session, if the player has valid reasons for skipping the sessions (sickness, forced work on another project)
The exact rule is that players are not allowed to declare war on a nation belonging to a player that is missing for a valid reasons. If declared upon by the players AI they are fair game.
If the AI is called into a war as a secondary partner white peace should be declared as soon as possible.

I wonder whether unconditional surrender will be added or not and whether poor groogy will find another nations to play MP continuously.
Unconditional Surrender will most likely be added for a later version of the game.
Groogy will probably take over Muscovy from Gradus.
 
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One session, if the player has valid reasons for skipping the sessions (sickness, forced work on another project)
The exact rule is that players are not allowed to declare war on a nation belonging to a player that is missing for a valid reasons. If declared upon by the players AI they are fair game.
If the AI is called into a war as a secondary partner white peace should be declared as soon as possible.


Unconditional Surrender will most likely be added for a later version of the game.
Groogy will probably take over Muscovy from Gradus.

Good that Groogy will take over Muscovy, its been such a pain watching the AI doing nothing with the opportunities present(weak PLC -> Strong Muscovy). Might be a too late now though but I hope he can swing it.
 

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Good that Groogy will take over Muscovy, its been such a pain watching the AI doing nothing with the opportunities present(weak PLC -> Strong Muscovy). Might be a too late now though but I hope he can swing it.

I did kick Muscovy's ass and forced them to peace with me as Lithuania, that's why they got nothing. Now I am gonna have to repair the nation I destroyed. I was never weak really, maybe not optimal but I had a plan to pull myself trough the crisis of Ottoman invasion but the "herpa derp no peace" bullshit kinda ruined that.
 
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I did kick Muscovy's ass and forced them to peace with me as Lithuania, that's why they got nothing. Now I am gonna have to repair the nation I destroyed. I was never weak really, maybe not optimal but I had a plan to pull myself trough the crisis of Ottoman invasion but the "herpa derp no peace" bullshit kinda ruined that.

Didnt mean that your play was weak, but a player Muscovy could really have taken advanted of the manhandling you and Poland received. At the very least they could have eaten Novgorod xD
 

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I did kick Muscovy's ass and forced them to peace with me as Lithuania, that's why they got nothing. Now I am gonna have to repair the nation I destroyed. I was never weak really, maybe not optimal but I had a plan to pull myself trough the crisis of Ottoman invasion but the "herpa derp no peace" bullshit kinda ruined that.
The salt is strong with this one... :) Not that I disagree.
 
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So I am trying ot get into the mindset of a Russian. It goes something a bit like this I think?
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edit: Updated after feedback from Russian colleague.
 
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