Paradox: Janissaries and 90 Army Tradition

[Dewit]

Well, he might be German and misspelled it on accident.
His Avatar may give you a hint.

Fun fact: Daddl(n) is German slang for 'playing video games'.

 

[Strangedane]

Don't correct people's Latin unless you actually know Latin. That makes you the poser.

Every single thing you say in your two posts is wrong. To wit:

"Boni" (masculine plural) is the plural of "bonus" (masculine singular). "Bona" (neuter plural) is the plural of "bonum" (neuter singular).

And "boni", alongside "bonuses", is well established in English as the plural of "bonus" in the sense "positive modifier". There is absolutely no reason to object to it.

Every single thing, you say?

From the start.
Bonus, Adjective: Unexpected good circumstance. (hopefully in-discussable)

What you are looking for is Bona; Adjective: Plural form of bonus. (This is indeed the word he should have used if he wanted correct latin grammar. I'm open for the possibility that there's some sort of grammar trick cheating me here, I haven't actually used my latin for a long time.)

While Boni CAN be neuter plural for bonus it makes no sense in the sentence.
As his sentence is constructed his Boni can ONLY be a noun.

Prove how his use of Boni can be ANYTHING other than a noun using proper grammar.
Tell me again how I am wrong in everything i said.

 

[hwoosh]

Back on topic, it's really easy to get 90 AT well before 1500. Carpet sieging is key, yes, but the best mission is "Convert the Infidel". It gives 30 AT and you can take it multiple times. There's four or five Christian provinces in the Anatolia region; you annex and convert them one at a time, then rinse and repeat with the next one.

 

[hwoosh]

Every single thing, you say?

From the start.
Bonus, Adjective: Unexpected good circumstance. (hopefully in-discussable)

What you are looking for is Bona; Adjective: Plural form of bonus. (This is indeed the word he should have used if he wanted correct latin grammar. I'm open for the possibility that there's some sort of grammar trick cheating me here, I haven't actually used my latin for a long time.)

While Boni CAN be neuter plural for bonus it makes no sense in the sentence.
As his sentence is constructed his Boni can ONLY be a noun.

Prove how his use of Boni can be ANYTHING other than a noun using proper grammar.
Tell me again how I am wrong in everything i said.

You are very confused.

First of all, in Latin you can use an adjective as a substantive with great freedom. In English, this is irrelevant; "bonus" is an English noun.

Let's go over Latin declension, shall we?

"bonus, -a, -um" is an adjective meaning "good". Used as a substantive, it means "a good [man/woman/thing etc.]"

The masculine singular nominative of this adjective is "bonus".
The feminine singular nominative of this adjective is "bona".
The neuter singular nominative of this adjective is "bonum".

The masculine plural nominative of this adjective is "boni".
The feminine plural nominative of this adjective is "bonae".
The neuter plural nominative of this adjective is "bona".

"Bona" is the plural form of "bonum". "Boni" is the plural form of "bonus". "Bona" is not the plural form of "bonus."

 

[wingzero890]

The point isn't really if it's easy to get to 90 army tradition or not. The point is that the events surrounding the Janissaries, and the Janissary event itself, don't really make much sense. Such as the one where you get 50 army tradition even though its usually completely wasted since you have to have reached 90 tradition and unlocked the Janissaries to attain it.

 

[IrishSultan]

Every single thing, you say?

From the start.
Bonus, Adjective: Unexpected good circumstance. (hopefully in-discussable)

What you are looking for is Bona; Adjective: Plural form of bonus. (This is indeed the word he should have used if he wanted correct latin grammar. I'm open for the possibility that there's some sort of grammar trick cheating me here, I haven't actually used my latin for a long time.)

While Boni CAN be neuter plural for bonus it makes no sense in the sentence.
As his sentence is constructed his Boni can ONLY be a noun.

Prove how his use of Boni can be ANYTHING other than a noun using proper grammar.
Tell me again how I am wrong in everything i said.

First he isn't looking for an adjective, he is looking for a noun.
Look here for the inflection of bonus as a noun, I see no way to get bona as a plural: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bonus#Inflection_2

Second, even if he was looking for an adjective there is no way to get bona to be a plural form of the word bonus (bona is singular feminine)
Look here for the inflection of bonus as an adjective, again bona is never a plural: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bonus#Inflection

 

[hwoosh]

The point isn't really if it's easy to get to 90 army tradition or not. The point is that the events surrounding the Janissaries, and the Janissary event itself, don't really make much sense. Such as the one where you get 50 army tradition even though its usually completely wasted since you have to have reached 90 tradition and unlocked the Janissaries to attain it.

Yeah, that event is a problem. It used to be (before 1.10 I believe) that the Janissaries event could fire once you had 50 AT, but it had a long MTTH that was shortened by higher levels of AT.

This was changed due to the "new design philosophy" that you should pretty much always see DHEs if you meet the conditions for them. But, as we should learn to expect from PDS, they made this change without thoroughly reviewing all the contingent events that it would effect...

 

[hwoosh]

Look here for the inflection of bonus as an adjective, again bona is never a plural: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bonus#Inflection

Look more closely at the neuter plural column

Neuter plural "bona" in fact has a special meaning in Latin: "goods" as in our phrase "goods and services."

 

[Gosig]

The only problem I had with staying around 95 AT was a regency council, but I fixed that by having a war go on for a bitter longer than intended against PLC, So basicly, the only problem I have with staying above 90 AT with the janissary is that you can not declare war during regency, and if something needs tweeking it is that

 

[Daddl]

I apologize for my bad mistake. Hopefully I won't get any mali for that

And indeed I'm playing video games and I guess you should better do that, too. I'm afraid I'm not confident enough about my latin classes to join your discussion. But we could ask the pope, he will know.

 

[hwoosh]

I apologize for my bad mistake. Hopefully I won't get any mali for that

And indeed I'm playing video games and I guess you should better do that, too. I'm afraid I'm not confident enough about my latin classes to join your discussion. But we could ask the pope, he will know.

Or you could ask me, a classicist who has been reading Latin for more than half of my lifespan. Believe me, you didn't make a mistake; Strangedane is badly confused and you have nothing to apologize for.

 

[EMT0]

One of the biggest issues with the Janissaries is that they're too damn easy to get rid of. They were THE primary factor behind the Ottoman Decline as well as the collapse of stability in the Balkans. Osman II tried to get rid of them, and he failed, being turned into a puppet or straight up getting deposed(I forget which). It was only 200 years later in the early 19th century that the Ottomans were able to get rid of them. They should:

a. Already be enacted at the start
b. Be an absolute pain in the ass to get rid of
c. Be a model to give nations that declined by the end of the game(Spain/Portugal) a means to do what they did historically. Conquering land is all well and good if it's an exponential power gravy train.

 

[illapa]

In our multiplayer game I am Austria and the Ottoman player hasn't been able to get the Janissaries yet despite rofling the balkans and Levant. I just rolled in with a few allies, smashed them, and took bosnia in one shot. It's a huge nerf to the Ottomans they can't just yolo into Europe anymore it is hard to justify a coalition against them when Austria can manfight them so early.

 

[Strangedane]

Or you could ask me, a classicist who has been reading Latin for more than half of my lifespan. Believe me, you didn't make a mistake; Strangedane is badly confused and you have nothing to apologize for.

I'll bow to the superiority of a claimed qualification. =P

Joking aside, i picked up my books and dusted off old knowledge, i did indeed mostly make myself look as a jackass.
I guess it's only fair to offer concession of defeat. (-10 prestige)

 

[wingzero890]

In our multiplayer game I am Austria and the Ottoman player hasn't been able to get the Janissaries yet despite rofling the balkans and Levant. I just rolled in with a few allies, smashed them, and took bosnia in one shot. It's a huge nerf to the Ottomans they can't just yolo into Europe anymore it is hard to justify a coalition against them when Austria can manfight them so early.

One of the biggest issues with the Janissaries is that they're too damn easy to get rid of. They were THE primary factor behind the Ottoman Decline as well as the collapse of stability in the Balkans. Osman II tried to get rid of them, and he failed, being turned into a puppet or straight up getting deposed(I forget which). It was only 200 years later in the early 19th century that the Ottomans were able to get rid of them. They should:

a. Already be enacted at the start
b. Be an absolute pain in the ass to get rid of
c. Be a model to give nations that declined by the end of the game(Spain/Portugal) a means to do what they did historically. Conquering land is all well and good if it's an exponential power gravy train.

I agree with all of this

 

[qbln]

relative question:

Have Cascading Janissary buffs through events been removed?