Paradox is doing ethnic cleansing!!!

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While I was reading the board rules before posting I found out that "There will not be any kind of "extermination
of minorities" or "ethnic cleansing" in Victoria." Well that's great BUT how is it that around 3.000.000 Greeks
(not exactly a minority...) are missing from Asia Minor and the provinces close to Constantinople??!!!
And why the Greek MAJORITIES of North Epirus and North Macedonia (Vlore, Skopje ,Petric... are regions that historically
have always been populated by Greeks) in 1836, all of a sudden, misteriously DISSAPPEAR??? Now, I wanna believe that you guys
are not on Ataturk's side and are not happy recalling Hitler's predecessor brutally exterminate the BIG Greek community from
lands that have always been Greek... So I'm expecting that the 1.02 patch is going to fix this outrage... It will, right?

 

[DaPacemDomine]

Might want to rephrase your concerns into something a bit less ... inflammatory? The good folks at Paradox can hardly get all the population demographics correct, now can they? That's why they rely on knowledgeable and hawk-eyed players to notice things that need adjustment. I hardly think they were trying to hamstring the Grecian culture.

 

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Originally posted by molon lave!
While I was reading the board rules before posting I found out that "There will not be any kind of "extermination
of minorities" or "ethnic cleansing" in Victoria." Well that's great BUT how is it that around 3.000.000 Greeks
(not exactly a minority...) are missing from Asia Minor and the provinces close to Constantinople??!!!
And why the Greek MAJORITIES of North Epirus and North Macedonia (Vlore, Skopje ,Petric... are regions that historically
have always been populated by Greeks) in 1836, all of a sudden, misteriously DISSAPPEAR??? Now, I wanna believe that you guys
are not on Ataturk's side and are not happy recalling Hitler's predecessor brutally exterminate the BIG Greek community from
lands that have always been Greek... So I'm expecting that the 1.02 patch is going to fix this outrage... It will, right?

It might change...if you change your attitude....

 

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Relax man. If the game has any demographic errors, you should not assume that Paradox has some sort of evil agenda.


--
EnPeaSea

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

If you have something constructive to say regarding POP distribution, make a clear non-ranting post in the bug forum describing which states you believe should contain how many people of various cultures.

E.g. State A, population 100,400, divided between cultures B (b%), C (c%), D (d%) &etc and - if you can - a distribution of people into POP types, i.e. culture B is 80% farmers&labourers, 10% craftmen, 5% clerks, and 5% clergy.

This should if at all possible be backed up by some sort of documentation, link to non-extremist organisations preferred.

God knows, the POP system is huge and many errors probably still exist. Coming up with correct figures and reporting them in the bug forum will help make a better simulation...

....ranting about ethnic cleansing in the discussion forum will not.

 

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how can you believe that a simple mistake in a game equals the support of mass muder??

IT IS JUST A GAME

 

[OriginalRafiki]

*sigh*

I can hear the voices from the moderators' room already; "Sir, we have code red in Sector VGD", "Very well, prepare for lockdown" "Preperations in place, sir" " Make it so".

If you find errors in the game, state so in a civil manner, preferably with something to back up your claim in the form of valid sources or references.

Otherwise people care way more about HOW you write than WHAT you write....

My 2 cents,
Rafiki

 

[Paradox Interactive]

Originally posted by molon lave!
While I was reading the board rules before posting I found out that "There will not be any kind of "extermination
of minorities" or "ethnic cleansing" in Victoria." Well that's great BUT how is it that around 3.000.000 Greeks
(not exactly a minority...) are missing from Asia Minor and the provinces close to Constantinople??!!!
And why the Greek MAJORITIES of North Epirus and North Macedonia (Vlore, Skopje ,Petric... are regions that historically
have always been populated by Greeks) in 1836, all of a sudden, misteriously DISSAPPEAR??? Now, I wanna believe that you guys
are not on Ataturk's side and are not happy recalling Hitler's predecessor brutally exterminate the BIG Greek community from
lands that have always been Greek... So I'm expecting that the 1.02 patch is going to fix this outrage... It will, right?

With that attitude you won't be long lived on these forums. You better work on it.

While doing that you may tell people where to find the game in Italy as I'm sure there must be more people who would like to get hold of Victoria before the Italian version arrives in 2004.


Patric

 

[Emperor of Europe]

It's probably part of The Big Conspiracy. You know: black helicopters, UN troops, the Vatican, cattle mutilations, rectalscopy etc.

You can be a hero and fight the evil by supplying the hatemongers at Paradox with some solid population data on the provinces concerned in the appropriate time periods. Go ahead: For Nation and People!

On a more serious note: If you take a few deep breaths and calm down before you post, it's more thank likely that any oversights that you point out will be fixed by Paradox. Historically they've done so, and you seem to be quite keen on history, eh?

cheers/EoE

 

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Yes! You're right! they're doing ethnic cleansing! Thats the only sensable thing to do! Why would would it not be included? Could it ever have occured it's a bug? God no! It could never be a bug! it must be on purpose! Just like those 'none' culture i saw on corsica in a screenie somewhere in the forum! Must be intentional!
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:rofl:

 

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God the state of the forums is really deteriorating....

 

[CCR_of_the_Code]

Well, let me state it this way.

Why is it that from screenshots I see that Poland is properly simulated with a large Jewish population? Surely the fact that there are so few Jews there means that we should not retroactively place a fractional Jewish population in Poland?

Also, might I add, that this is a mistake for gameplay purposes. My main wish with Victoria is to play as Armenia and Greece, and I am most upset with this disturbing news. What of the Greek player anyway? I have always found it silly that Turkey and Greece did not have national provinces on eachother, or at least Greece on Albania, and this is *much worse*.

Also, might I enquire as to the state of Cilicia? While I can understand (yet do not approve) of Paradox's lack of "ethnic cleansing events", because like it or not they where quite important in this part of the world, but surely there must be a large Armenian population in Cilicia, if not a majority? Not to mention Van?
Also, have you added the Karamanils? They made up a very signifigant part of the population, and deserve to be shown in the game. I will be upset if, for instance, Ankara is "100% Sunni"

 

[SykoNurse]

Originally posted by azid
God the state of the forums is really deteriorating....

its not the forum, it's a single post. everything has been said about...just get it back to topic here...

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Originally posted by azid
God the state of the forums is really deteriorating....

You sure? Seems to me that the forumers are quite clear about what they/we think of posts as that.

Rafiki

 

[Paradox Interactive]

Whoa, calm down or I have to give out warnings.

Discuss things like this calmly and in a polite manner!


Patric

 

[MegaPIMP]

Pirates everywere....*suck* on Valkyrie net to, what version is 2013456 you think?

 

[CCR_of_the_Code]

Originally posted by Patric
Whoa, calm down or I have to give out warnings.

Discuss things like this calmly and in a polite manner!


Patric

I tried *quite* hard to be polite and would appreciate an answer and a comitment to fixing this error. If you do not find it polite, plese, tell me how it is not.

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
If you have something constructive to say regarding POP distribution, make a clear non-ranting post in the bug forum describing which states you believe should contain how many people of various cultures.

E.g. State A, population 100,400, divided between cultures B (b%), C (c%), D (d%) &etc and - if you can - a distribution of people into POP types, i.e. culture B is 80% farmers&labourers, 10% craftmen, 5% clerks, and 5% clergy.

This should if at all possible be backed up by some sort of documentation, link to non-extremist organisations preferred.

God knows, the POP system is huge and many errors probably still exist. Coming up with correct figures and reporting them in the bug forum will help make a better simulation...

....ranting about ethnic cleansing in the discussion forum will not.

This ecellent suggestion goes for everyone that spot POP errors. 'nuff said here...