They're deleting all the parallel threads so there's only one thread, presumably.
Paradox following German law in Germany isn't the damn Watergate conspiracy.
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Paradox Interactive, a little transparency please!
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They're deleting all the parallel threads so there's only one thread, presumably.
Paradox following German law in Germany isn't the damn Watergate conspiracy.
One pinned LOCKED thread. They don't want discussion about the topic.
And please show me the German law that forces you to geolock your game. Don't believe everything they tell you.
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This means we really get our Anime Hitler Portrait DLC? yes!
That was my first thought as well.
If PI gives everyone the German version i don't think anyone would really care and most wouldn't notice. And if it stops these threads perahps they should.
You asked, I deliver.
Section 86a
Using symbols of unconstitutional organisations
(1) Whosoever
1. domestically distributes or publicly uses, in a meeting or in writtenmaterials (section 11(3)) disseminated by him, symbols of one of the parties or organisations indicated in section 86(1) Nos 1, 2 and 4; or
2. produces, stocks, imports or exports objects which depict or contain such symbols for distribution or use in Germany or abroad in a manner indicated in No 1,
shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine.
(2) Symbols within the meaning of subsection (1) above shall be in particular flags,insignia, uniforms and their parts, slogans and forms of greeting. Symbols which are so similar as to be mistaken for those named in the 1st sentence shall be equivalent to them.
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Paradox don't HAVE to do anything, except of course obey the law. Which they have done. A certain minority keep on complaining about this matter on Paradox's forum - some even make accusation s of conspiracy and cover up. Such nonsense. Paradox are one of the most open and easy going gaming companies around, yet apparently there is still no pleasing some people. We are lucky we have been able to say anything at all here! Paradox could close down this forum altogether (some companies do) or withdraw the game from your country completely if they wanted (again, it's been done), and they'd be within their rights. So how about the whiners tone it down a notch eh? They've already got it better than some countries - and you don't see the ones less well off whining - so why should (a small minority of) the Germans? Over this of all things? Bottom line, feel lucky you are getting the game at all and stop feeling like you are so... entitled.
MANY products are geolocked, in the sense they are designed for a certain country/market. Films are, books are, hell, even food is. And games...yup you guessed it, they are geotargeted too. So this campaign? It really has little weight. People can carry on campaigning if they wish to of course, no one can stop them - even Paradox hasn't - so long as the campaigners acknowledge that they really don't have much in the way of credibility.
MANY products are geolocked, in the sense they are designed for a certain country/market. Films are, books are, hell, even food is. And games...yup you guessed it, they are geotargeted too. So this campaign? It really has little weight. People can carry on campaigning if they wish to of course, no one can stop them - even Paradox hasn't - so long as the campaigners acknowledge that they really don't have much in the way of credibility.
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Conspiracy
Deliberate cover up
"Don't believe everything they tell you."
Because Paradox didn't put a disclaimer on the Steam Store saying that their German version follows German law.
Now this is just plain silly.
A thread got knocked off the front page so we talk about -this- for God's sake.
Deliberate cover up
"Don't believe everything they tell you."
Because Paradox didn't put a disclaimer on the Steam Store saying that their German version follows German law.
Now this is just plain silly.
A thread got knocked off the front page so we talk about -this- for God's sake.
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All we need is Alex Jones to show up and post that "1776 IS COMING AGAIN, YOU WILL NOT KILL THE REPUBLIC" and this thread will be complete
No you didn't.
The law doesn't forces you to actively block the use of those items. It would be on the 3rd party shop selling the game to a German customer.
https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/86a.html
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No you may use them for historical and educational purposes.
However, it is unknown if Paradox games fall into the "historical and educational" criteria legally.
Paradox does not want to be the forefront of a legal battle that could take years, so it's easier just to censor.
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As a customer I only expect then to inform me on the store page if the product is altered.
That's not entitlement, at least not here in Europe.
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OK, fine. How would Tharsonius have Paradox sell HOI IV in Germany, without breaking the law that states that Hitler's image is illegal in games? How would YOU do it? In a way that would guarantee that Paradox would not become liable for the (inevitable) infringements that will occur amongst the players' own copies?
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In my understanding Paradox would otherwise producing an object (game), which contains such symbols for a (possible) distrubution in Germany. Sound quite illegal for me.
But hey, I'm no lawyer. You have your opinion, I have mine.
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Oh, and by the way Tharsonius , your..expectations about what companies do and do not tell you about "changes" in their products are simply wonderful. Incredibly unrealistically trusting. But wonderful. While I would love your version to be the way it is, it isn't. Even here in Europe. (The UK IS Europe you know, although I'll grant many try to forget that).
Don't sell it to German customers on Steam or on the Paradox shop, but don't block my game when I order it from a 3rd party shop elsewhere.
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So you suggest everything else than expecting a company to deceive their customers by not telling them they buy a reduced-content product is naive? Maybe you are right.
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Nope. Because Paradox will have allowed the loophole by which you circumvented - and broke - the law. A good lawyer would very quickly pin that responsibility on them.
Everyone else on Steam does it! It may be new to you, but ask any German.
I'm saying HOPING they tell people is realistic. EXPECTING them to is not.
If I sell alcohol to an underage person, it's on me, not on the producer. No loophole here.
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