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So I watch a lot of twitch streamers, a lot. For you of those who stream EU4 have probably seen me lurk and keep chat active. I mainly focus on low-viewer streams to try motivate them to continue streaming.

So when the embargo ended, I saw a lot of new streamers, and I felt most of the english streams were playing CoC. There were also turks, germans, cyrillic titled streams, also quite a few from balkan region, and poland.

But today I came across a streamer, who has a decent number of hours playing (less than 1500h, more than 700h), next to no achivements. This particular streamer has a lot of CK2, HoI, Stellaris content, including EU4 on youtube. But watching this streamer, could not tell which features were from CoC, how they work besides having "heard about a feature but havent read anything about it". This made me sad.

I could tell this person was enjoying streaming with the community, but when I saw a "donation" describing this person as the best EU4 streamer they knew, my heart sank deep. And by best, I interpreted this as skilled. This person has an enjoyable format, relaxing cute chat, but severely lacked knowledge on so many small and big things that comes with just playing the game. (Read between the lines here)


Besides, for me personally, everyone and their parents having CoC on twitch, playing almost all the same nations, ruined the excitement for me. First off the bigger and more famous streamers have a big chat and getting a question in is almost impossible - risking ban for repeating the same thing over and over, so no go - no joy. And you can only see so many Mamluke/persia area runs concurrently on twitch before you get ... bored. I put the rest in that category.

I really enjoy the dev diaries, and it sucked me into this DLC, as the previous ones has done. Once a dev diary is out, it gets shared on Twitch, youtube, Steam, Twitter, Facebook, VK, Reddit and everywhere else imaginable, and chat literally stops while they are being read by the viewers.

But this massive pre-release thing took all the curiosity and excitement away pretty quick, and not just for the DLC, but the game too. I guess you could call me a DLC addict, I need that mystique, not knowing whats up in the next dev diary, counting the days for release, being teased and sucked into "take my money and shut up".

Currently I spend a lot of time on twitch, so perhaps this is what always been happening, but just coincided with me being active there, and the flooding by CoC.

I would like to point to one streamer I really enjoyed learning CoC from, and that was @Colruth ;)

And yes, I know there are a lot of very different players in this game. I also teach new players best fundamental practices, answer their questions, give them links to wiki, try to connect the dots between stuff in this game, on twitch. I enjoy watching their learning progress and epic failures they need to have to learn this game. Example I wont touch terrain penalties until they get rekt and are completely baffled as to why. Because you need to experience some of this stuff, and then get into the mental state 'why did this happen', and then you can explain things. Its a very rewarding hobby. I also have a rule I never speak about anything I'm not 100% sure and have double checked before informing.

I am having a hard time expressing this issue properly, so if I'm not alone, please share your thoughts too. I felt that pdx should know how at least one of their players experienced this release. Hoping for not-so-many red ticks.:rolleyes:
 

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I personally have been avoiding Twitch streams except for Paradox themselves or DDRJake [Because I heard he was suffering and indeed he was]
 

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No one is forcing you to watch Eu4 streams so once you feel that you saw enough, you can simply stop. I know it can be hard to wait for the release, but personally I found that reading about the countries I plan to play is a great way to keep the hype under control while not spoiling all the new contents.

As for giving away copies, it's mostly a PR move so it doesn't matter that the streamer is a good player as long as he or she create free exposure for the game.
 

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I don't quite understand the degree to which people watch Twitch. I enjoy watching videos of certain excellent players (although I prefer a condensed version that highights the key stuff they did) but I don't really get why you'd spend hours watching someone who's not actually that great at the game just playing in preference to playing it yourself.
 

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I watch one bad streamer because I enjoy yelling at the screen about all the missed opportunities and dumb plays. I imagine it's the same type of thing that leads people to root for a terrible team year after year.
 

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so the problem is essentially about you... oh, well :rolleyes:
 

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@CoolSpin so you are saying that coc pre release on twitch is actually inciting you NOT to buy the dlc due to losing excitement? Paradox won't be happy ;)

you could argue then that the dev diaries aren't good either then, because you lose the 'mystique'.

my advice would be to not watch witch then, and stick to dev diaries. Then buy dlc, play around to yur heart's delight, and THEN watch some twitch.

I think you are just feeling bad about paradox handing out freebies to everyone and their mother (hence why you are mentioning inexperienced players), and you actually want to start streaming yourself to get dlc for free in future also? :p

paradox looks at your viewer count, and i think they consider if your twitch channel is a good PR channel for PR for their products before handing t out. so yes, they give it to players that focus on hoi4 or ck2, only to reach their player base also, to incite them to try eu4 and buy dlc.

its all market strategy......
 

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I think you are just feeling bad about paradox handing out freebies to everyone and their mother (hence why you are mentioning inexperienced players), and you actually want to start streaming yourself to get dlc for free in future also? :p

While I think about what to reply here, which may take some time, as there are many permutations of things in my OP and from the replies, I'd just like to reply to this. No. I buy DLCs day1, well in this case pre-ordered, because I can. The wait is exciting and emotional as when you buy your next better computer online, constantly checking the package tracking, and is part of the "routine", for me at least. And I want to support the developers who put their passion into their work, and at least I have given my voice that they should continue improving EU4. Having early access and potentially have to suffer through the potential nastyness of bugs, random crashes, not-yet-working-stuff and other issues, is something I dont desire, been there done that. That just adds negative baggage once the product is released. Hope I made myself clear on this particular point.

But now I need to sleep, reading through this post 6 times before posting because forgetting what I just read... :confused:
 

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"next to no achivements"

I have no achievements either, on EUIII because I never connected to Paradox, on EU4, because I never bother with Ironman because something would always corrupt my save (It doesn't happen these days but did in the past). Also, I don't care about them lol.

Why do achievements matter regarding how good a player you are? (Or streamer for that matter).