Paradox, can we have a 1936 heavy tank model please?

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In many ways, very little. In terms of design, however, infantry tanks were supposed to move slowly alongside infantry, drawing fire and destroying fortifications such as pillboxes and bunkers. They were designed with the WW1-era mentality of slow-moving forces moving over trench-riddled battlefields. In game terms these would be heavy tanks.

Conversely, the cruiser tanks were lighter, faster, better armed but poorly armored; they were designed to flank and destroy enemy tanks. In game terms these would be light and medium tanks.

Heavy tanks were fewer in number and slower but had better armor and bigger guns; they were designed to destroy great numbers of enemy tanks whilst taking very little damage in return.
Yes, but heavy tanks were kind of built to do same thing, as KVs, Tiger and IS series of heavy tanks prioritised the strength of their HE ammo over armor peircing, and were supposed to break heavy opposition. They were not tank destroyers, nor were they supposed to exel at that. Tiger 2 is probably the only exeption in WW2 timeframe.
The Matildas were heavily armored and very slow - but could only shoot HE-ammo, making them rather useless against other tanks. A heavy tank is very good against lighter tanks, the infantry tank isn't.
If I`m reading the specs of Matilda, 2 pounder had 93 armor piercing shots.
 
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The Matildas were heavily armored and very slow - but could only shoot HE-ammo, making them rather useless against other tanks. A heavy tank is very good against lighter tanks, the infantry tank isn't.
Actually with the Matildas, it was the other way round. They had a 2 pounder gun which could only fire AP ammo, not HE. They were reasonably good against other tanks, but not very good against infantry positions, for lack of HE shells.
 

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A bit buggered, so apologies if I've completely missed the point, but given the limited development in heavy tanks between the mid 1930s and the Tigers/Churchills/KVs (not sure whether a KV would be a souped-up earlier model or 'early' 1941 heavy) could the variant/model system square this away? We'd get to name them ourselves, so they'd still be called the right things, and it would get around the issue of nations that didn't develop as many different types of tanks?
 

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A bit buggered, so apologies if I've completely missed the point, but given the limited development in heavy tanks between the mid 1930s and the Tigers/Churchills/KVs (not sure whether a KV would be a souped-up earlier model or 'early' 1941 heavy) could the variant/model system square this away? We'd get to name them ourselves, so they'd still be called the right things, and it would get around the issue of nations that didn't develop as many different types of tanks?
Well, KV(it`s 85mm gun version anyway) was more or less on par with Tiger and it is 1941 USSR heavy, as was shown in tech tree in game by somebody, some time.

The difference, seem to be that 1934 model of heavy is more or less WW1 style, multi-turret tank with many guns and MGs, while 1941 heavy is supposed to be pretty standard 1 gun, 1 turret 1-2 MGs tank.

What would 1936 heavy tank be, is a mystery, more or less. Aside from Matilda, perhaps.
 
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Well, KV(it`s 85mm gun version anyway) was more or less on par with Tiger and it is 1941 USSR heavy, as was shown in tech tree in game by somebody, some time.

The difference, seem to be that 1934 model of heavy is more or less WW1 style, multi-turret tank with many guns and MGs, while 1941 heavy is supposed to be pretty standard 1 gun, 1 turret 1-2 MGs tank.

What would 1936 heavy tank be, is a mystery, more or less. Aside from Matilda, perhaps.

Cheers, my feeling is the KV would be '41, but I have a memory of them kicking around in '39 (noting my memory's not so flash), which was why I wasn't sure. Cheers for clarification - if we've seen it in the tech tree for '41, that's a pretty good sign it's the Soviet 1941 model :).

For the '36 tank if they have one, maybe the Matilda and the French heavy (name escapes me)?
 

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Cheers, my feeling is the KV would be '41, but I have a memory of them kicking around in '39 (noting my memory's not so flash), which was why I wasn't sure. Cheers for clarification - if we've seen it in the tech tree for '41, that's a pretty good sign it's the Soviet 1941 model :).

For the '36 tank if they have one, maybe the Matilda and the French heavy (name escapes me)?

KV-1s were used on a trial basis in the Winter War, so yes, '39 just makes it in.

As mentioned previously, T-35 would be perfect for a '36 heavy tank... unless it already takes the '34 slot...
 
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KV-1s were used on a trial basis in the Winter War, so yes, '39 just makes it in.
1940 actually as trials are not same as serial production, but HOI4 has all sorts of inconsistencies, like Pz4 only being 1941 model, despite being built from 1937 and extensively participating in 1939-1940 campaigns.
As mentioned previously, T-35 would be perfect for a '36 heavy tank... unless it already takes the '34 slot...
It is 1934 slot. There aren`t good candidates for 1936 soviet heavy, aside from rejected multi-turreted projects from which, KV emerged.
 
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I don't think we have to put too much effort into this. More elaborate and country specific tech trees are perfect as part of future DLCs, and major sub-trees such as tanks will surely get a makeover in due time. Right now it's all about getting the base mechanics right and balancing the game.
 
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1940 actually as trials are not same as serial production, but HOI4 has all sorts of inconsistencies, like Pz4 only being 1941 model, despite being built from 1937 and extensively participating in 1939-1940 campaigns.

That's why Germany has national focii that reduce the "ahead of time" penalty so they can get the 1941 tech probably way before that.
 

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like Pz4 only being 1941 model, despite being built from 1937 and extensively participating in 1939-1940 campaigns.
But the Panzer IV was not a battle tank until they fitted the long 7,5 cm gun in the turrent. Before that, it was an Infantery support tank and the Panzer III was designed as the standard battle tank. So this is actually a almost perfect fit.
 

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Podcat said the Panzer IV represent the Panzer IV with the long gun.

The tech tree is designed for a game not a history book:)
 
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1940 actually as trials are not same as serial production, but HOI4 has all sorts of inconsistencies, like Pz4 only being 1941 model, despite being built from 1937 and extensively participating in 1939-1940 campaigns.

It is 1934 slot. There aren`t good candidates for 1936 soviet heavy, aside from rejected multi-turreted projects from which, KV emerged.

Didn't realise it was already in.

In that case... if you were feeling really brave you could put in the SMK... :eek:
 

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Well Grosstraktor was also just a test project and built before the game even starts. They could do the same for Soviet as well.

That's why Germany has national focii that reduce the "ahead of time" penalty so they can get the 1941 tech probably way before that.
Well the focus also reduce the tech cost for Panther so they can maybe get that tank in 1941. However Germany will probably need all help it can get and the other nations also have poweful tech cost reductions such as British RADAR focus.

Right now the tech tree have 3 heavy tanks, 3 light tanks and 3 medium tanks and that is probably how the developers wan't the tech tree to be. So by adding another heavy tank they would have to remove one somewhere else to keep the numbers 3-3-3.
 
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Constantly Im be mislead by these tank names and pictures.
Altough all countries will have same template in tech trees. Also same stats would it be japanese or russian heavy tank. (excluding differences that companies make)