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What's wrong with Shadowrun?

Norhing wrong anymore but initially when they spouted the DRM-free thing they backed down on it and said that DRM-free wasn't possible at the time due to a deal with Microsoft. It took a long time for the game to come DRM-free properly
(I think backers got a DRM-free copy from their site but they couldn't mod the game because Steamworks and patches came late to them)
 

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Shadowrun is a disaster of linearity. A great example of how to NOT make a cRPG game.
 

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I'll repeat the question - Why? They're not losing out - Paradox are not touching the game. They're marketing and selling it. They're not investors.

If people are complaining, they are ignorant and should learn when to keep quiet and read.

Perhaps you should heed your own advice, head over to the Obsidian forums, and read the concerns there rather than poop on those who backed the game that are making them. Many of the concerns raised were/are valid. Though at this point just about all of those who had concerns have been sufficiently put at ease by clarifications by Obsidian's staff following up on their FAQ.
 

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After checking the POE forums I did see some concerns with DRM but the developers assured people that everything they promised on the Kickstarter will be followed through with. There will be a GOG version. Other people voiced some concerns with DLC as Paradox has moved heavily in that direction but, again, the development of any DLC/expansions will be all handled by Obsidian as they promised. I myself purchased the first expansion up front so we shall see how it turns out.

I knew mentioning BG3 would create a few comments. I think the eventual rights would belong to the chaps who developed the BG & BG2 enhanced editions, but I could be wrong there. I'll probably end up getting Numeria or whatever it's called, as well as the new Divinity game, so happy days, and sleepless nights, ahead... sigh, going to grow up one of these decades.
 

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:eek: Now i have another reason to buy this. (At least i hope i do "coughcoughiconcoughcough")
 

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Interesting that many people on Obsidian forum not very happy about that deal..

That is a littlebit exaggerated. Some have concerns, yes. But thats all and typical for crowdfunding games, because people deeply care about those games.
 

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Shadowrun is a disaster of linearity. A great example of how to NOT make a cRPG game.

But you are aware of the fact that there are many different types of cRPGs? I, for example, LOVE a good story. TES, just to name one example, are great open world RPGs, but i prefer a good story over openworld/sandbox anytime. Shadowrun is a littlebit too linear, but by far its NOT a disaster. But calling it a disaster sounds way more dramatic, i´ll give you that.
 

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But you are aware of the fact that there are many different types of cRPGs? I, for example, LOVE a good story. TES, just to name one example, are great open world RPGs, but i prefer a good story over openworld/sandbox anytime. Shadowrun is a littlebit too linear, but by far its NOT a disaster. But calling it a disaster sounds way more dramatic, i´ll give you that.

Shadowrun has great world design and story.
 

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We can only hope the game sells well enough to warrant an expansion pack. I backed it, and it isnt hard to get that obsidian needs someone to make trailers and run affiliate marketing

It's already guaranteed that there will be an expansion pack. Obsidian said quite awhile back that they were going to make one with their money, and it's a reward for some backer pledge tiers. What we want to hope for is a sequel. ;)

Though, provided the game is a good one I'm sure there will be a sequel just based on the kickstarters. Unless I'm disappointed with the game (and I doubt I will be) I'll pony up for a kickstarter for the sequel if need be, and I'll wager most other backers of PoE will as well.

That said, I definitely hope it sells well and I hope Paradox puts at least as much creative effort into promoting PoE as they did Crusader Kings 2 to help make that happen.
 

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This seems like good news but what I'm afraid of is whether or not they'll (Obsidian) pull a U-turn with the DRM-free thingie they promised now that they've partnered with PD who have been too Steam-reliant recently. And promises can be broken.
Remember Shadowrun Returns? Yeah...

And before you point it out I know there was an AMA yesterday with Obsidian and they said that this won't affect DRM-freedom or release from GOG.

That is my concern as well. Paradox used to have a strong commitment to DRM-free games, but in recent years, concerns over the ease of implementing multiplayer have trumped that.
 

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That is my concern as well. Paradox used to have a strong commitment to DRM-free games, but in recent years, concerns over the ease of implementing multiplayer have trumped that.
There still isn't any DRM with ANY PDS game
 

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There still isn't any DRM with ANY PDS game

Except, ironically, the non-Steam version of CK2. No need to rehash the old argument about the Steam client itself - we simply disagree.

Paradox published games used to be DRM-free. That is certainly not the case any more.
 

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Nice one. This partnership brings back my interest for Pillars of Eternity. I lost it somewhere in the last year.
 

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Except, ironically, the non-Steam version of CK2. No need to rehash the old argument about the Steam client itself - we simply disagree.

Paradox published games used to be DRM-free. That is certainly not the case any more.

Well the fate of the non-Steam version of CK2 should answer the question as to how important not having DRM is to consumers as a group vs the cost to Paradox of providing it.