Papal States: WHY?!?

[EldritchBolt]

"The Pope does not get Papal Influence or Cardinals, but instead gains investment towards becoming Papal Controller based on the total number of cardinals"

Wait, wait, wait.

This is a funny joke right?

Swedish humour at its finests yes?

I mean, what could be the design decision behind making the papal states gain no benefit from being Catholic.

No wonder so many people see the AI PS supporting the protestants in the league - he wants to convert!

I was going to do a campaign as them and everything but why bother

 

[TKaz84]

No benefit from being catholic? You automatically have one of the highest chances of becoming Papal Controller (with its amazing benefits) without having to do anything. You just miss out on the other things you can do with influence (which makes sense as you cant really grant yourself a loan )

 

[BionkeSmalls]

"The Pope does not get Papal Influence or Cardinals, but instead gains investment towards becoming Papal Controller based on the total number of cardinals"

Wait, wait, wait.

This is a funny joke right?

Swedish humour at its finests yes?

I mean, what could be the design decision behind making the papal states gain no benefit from being Catholic.

No wonder so many people see the AI PS supporting the protestants in the league - he wants to convert!

I was going to do a campaign as them and everything but why bother

while i agree the papal control system is worse than it was before and there is no guarantee that you become papal controller even if you invest the most points, but being the papal controller is much better than spending 100 papacy points on 1 mercantilism or some manpower. being that papal controller is the benefit to being catholic.

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

You can't ask the pope for favors if you're the pope. That's pretty much it.

The chance to become curia controller that you get as the pope would cost you quite a bit more influence then you would get if you did get influence. Granted, it doesn't scale with your size, so that is not true anymore once sufficiently blobbed. Either way, I don't see how it really affects a campaign as the pope in any significant way.

 

[ChildeR]

@OP, curia control is currently the only influence sink that's worth it. Papal state also has the government type bonuses, of course.

while i agree the papal control system is worse than it was before and there is no guarantee that you become papal controller even if you invest the most points, but being the papal controller is much better than spending 100 papacy points on 1 mercantilism or some manpower. being that papal controller is the benefit to being catholic.

Nah, I think the system is much better. Previously historically blobbed Spain, or any larger player blob, could perma-lock curia control. The Other options could use rebalancing, though.

 

[ZangoZett]

Eh, I dunno; personally I find the free stab point every couple decades more worthwhile than gambling all your points on being Curia Controller. One time I actually tried sinking in 100 points and then all the other point increments I earned until the Pope died and still didn't get CC. So, I figure even the astronomically overpriced benefits are still better than the getting nothing investing in the curia does.