Papal States after a European Conquest

[EU3NOOB]

The name of the thread says it all. What happens to the Papal States if all of Europe(i.e. the Christian lands) if you, the incessant conqueror that you are, is under you're direct boot heel(no vassals, no PUs)? I have the funny image in my head of an Ottoman Papal States. I'm assuming that the game can't place the new Papal States in your empire.

 

[Eldramesha]

You don't even need to do a full conquest, just eliminate all of the other Catholic theocracies and then the Papal States, they won't respawn though there will be an event where they try and if you don't let them and suppress the rebels in Rome, there's no more papacy.

 

[pevergreen]

When you annex the papal states, an event occurs that changes a catholic theocracy to the papacy. If there are no catholic theocracries left, it will not reappear, unless you free it.

Sorry for the horrible spelling.

 

[Derahan]

When you annex the papal states, an event occurs that changes a catholic theocracy to the papacy. If there are no catholic theocracries left, it will not reappear, unless you free it.

Sorry for the horrible spelling.

Glory to the non-existing papal states

 

[Memento Mori]

Is the Holy See still alive? i.e. can you check the cardinals, be the papal controler and declare crusades/excomunicate if the date is early?

 

[Derahan]

Is the Holy See still alive? i.e. can you check the cardinals, be the papal controler and declare crusades/excomunicate if the date is early?

Probably not

 

[pevergreen]

Probably not

According to everything I've read, yes.

Contrary to what I read, when it happened in my game, the cardinals could change.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Unless something specifically removes the curia, then it continues to exist and function.

 

[sprites]

If there are no papal states , you can excommunicate any catholic as they won't have relations with them

 

[Derahan]

If there are no papal states , you can excommunicate any catholic as they won't have relations with them

I believe this is called Exploiting the game mechanics, but its a very good tactic indeed sir

 

[Ruanek]

You don't even need to get rid of all Catholic theocracies. The Teutonic Order cannot become the Papal State.

 

[Derahan]

You don't even need to get rid of all Catholic theocracies. The Teutonic Order cannot become the Papal State.

Maybe because they are a theocratic order which doesnt ivolve Bishop ruling over them?

 

[EU3NOOB]

I was always fascinated by the Papal States in games like this their both a faction(and in this game a playable faction) and a special feature in the game.

 

[jdrou]

Maybe because they are a theocratic order which doesnt ivolve Bishop ruling over them?

No, because they are specifically excluded in the event; in game terms they are a theocracy like any other only with a different name (tied to their culture). Note the Livonian Order (when it exists) is also a "Monastic State" (i.e. Prussian-culture theocratic_government) but they are not excluded from becoming the Papal State. The Knights (of Rhodes/Malta) are also not excluded.

 

[AttilaTheFun]

So... how do you remove the curia? I've had games when the papal state ends up ruling from a non-european colony, like ryuku or in south america. damn thing is like a cockroach that just won't die...

Edit: What I mean specifically is, is it possible to eliminate the actual curia once you've wiped out all catholic theocracies and all possibility of respawing?

 

[Memento Mori]

So... how do you remove the curia? I've had games when the papal state ends up ruling from a non-european colony, like ryuku or in south america. damn thing is like a cockroach that just won't die...

Edit: What I mean specifically is, is it possible to eliminate the actual curia once you've wiped out all catholic theocracies and all possibility of respawing?

As far as I know there is a way to remove the Curia. Simply, allow the Papal States to form the Kingdom of God. You don't even have to subsequently kill the papal states, as the Curia will be grayed out.

 

[herrhals]

To remove curia, make sure an orthodox nation establishes the pentarchy.