Papal Excommunication...Out of Whack Maybe?

[vandevere]

The Popes have been eating their Wheaties lately, or feeling their oats. Every Pope in both of my current Play Throughs, have excommunicated at least two or three Rulers. I looked at the excommunicate Rulers' traits, and didn't see anything excommunication-worthy.

The Pope even excommunicated me in my 769 Charly Play through. I do like to play Simon-Pure, and I can vouch that my Ruler had no negative Traits, no murders, no kinslaying, and no adultery either. so I'm at a loss as to why the the Pope did that.

Is this a bug? Or is this WAD? If this is WAD, then Excommunication needs to be toned down-limited to murderers, Kinslayers, and Adulterers. If that's not possible, then there need to be some penalties and/or maluses for wrongful excommunication.

Papal Excommunications are analogous to Rulers Revoking Vassals' Baronies/Counties/Duchies. A Ruler can't do that without cause. The Pope should face the same risk if he Excommunicates someone who isn't a murderer/Kinslayer/Adulterer.

Nobody else gets to do things like that for free. The Pope shouldn't either.

 

[kmh42]

I am playing a catholic campaing resetly and Every ruler so far get excommunicated on day one when he becomes King. I issue Declaration of Repentance and buy me free from the excommunication and a few days later I get excommunication again. Not Fun!

 

[vandevere]

Like I've already said, there are plenty of Possessed Rulers, Lunatics, and all sorts of Kinslayers...

Plenty of Rulers in the Game actually deserve Excommunication, and the Popes leave them alone to go after random schlubs...

I'd like to ask the devs what they are using for the Pope AI to determine excommunications? It needs to be retooled to go after the above-mentioned Possessed, Lunatic, and Kinslaying Rulers.

 

[Semigall]

It's been discussed before, this is WAD and it is historical.

 

[kmh42]

It's been discussed before, this is WAD and it is historical.

Have you a quote of a dev who's saying that this behaviour is WAD?

 

[kmh42]

This doesn't make sense:

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I drop into the negatives and become excommunicated. The pope is the vassal of the HRE. Maybe he wanted to excommunicate me but then the event text should reflect that.

 

[n knbk]

This doesn't make sense:

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I drop into the negatives and become excommunicated. The pope is the vassal of the HRE. Maybe he wanted to excommunicate me but then the event text should reflect that.

If it was the emperor doing it, it would say "at the behest of Emperor blahblahblah instead of Pope Anastasius VI.

But yeah, the papacy is a bit off with this latest DLC.

 

[Kinkness]

I have the same problem. Even more severe than the OP. 3 generations in a row, now counting 4 that all get excommunicated permanently for no reason.

First king got excommunicted ironically during a Crusade of all things. I was fighting in the crusade itself, I was 80% participation with over 5k Piety to my name, and "The Holy". yet somehow he got excommunicated... Of course as soon as I asked for it to be lifted, he did.. Only to excommunicate me on the spot again 10 years later while fighting a holy war against heathens...

That leader died, and the son took over, only to be excommunicated yet again. Again it made no sense, high piety, wasn't doing anything wrong. No evil or seriously bad traits. Honest, Good, Charitable even. Only bad trait i had was depressed. That pope wouldn't lift the excommunication for anything...

third ruler got excommunicated again immediately after becoming of age (took the throne at age 9). I got a notification that the pope didn't like my Free Investure 4 years after becoming excommunciated. I thought, oh of course THAT must be why my other 2 emperors got excommunicated... So I changed it on the spot, and gave him a gift of 300+ gold to lift the excommunication... 4 years later I enter a war with Muslims again, and again 3 months after I get excommunicated?!

What the loving heck is going on? it obviously wasn't the free investure.. My piety is always high with all my rulers, always doing the "good catholic" thing. Doing everything I can to fight in the name of the pope, yet I'm nearly always permanently excommunicated...


Edit:

Now that I'm looking at opinion modifiers, I'm getting alot of wierd modifiers that shouldn't be....

Pope has negative opinion due to free investure, even though mine is papal investure.

 

[BoomKidneyShot]

I've also seen this happening with an Assyrian Nestorian playthrough I was going through. Random excommunications even though we like each other and I don't have any sinful traits.

 

[Stupidity]

Questions:

1. How would I check for excommunication rate for AI rulers?
2. Would that be a sign that you need to get your own pope/antipope? Getting excommunicated by the pope you put onto roman papacy would be rather hilarious.

 

[[Arthur-PDX]]

Yo,

We've noticed the Pope going a bit off the handle and we've addressed the issue, so he'll be less trigger happy when we release the next patch (or, well, the bugfix)


Arthur

 

[BoomKidneyShot]

Will that alter other religious heads as well?

 

[Kinkness]

Yo,

We've noticed the Pope going a bit off the handle and we've addressed the issue, so he'll be less trigger happy when we release the next patch (or, well, the bugfix)


Arthur

Woohoo! Thank you!