Panzer Divisions making amphibious assaults?

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Perhaps it is just me, but does anyone else think it is wierd (or at least, historically unacurate) that armoured divisions can make amphibious assaults by themselves onto enemy provinces?

I'm currently playing a Portuguese GC1936 with the Allies and i've just had a 2 Panzer Divisions sucessfull amphibious assault on Lisbon. How realistic is that?!?! The Kriegsmarine would not have a chance in hell of sealifting 2 full panzer divisions from occupied France to Portugal, bypassing Spain, if it was the real deal!

By contrast, for example, in the game transport aircraft can not airlift infantry divisions (even light infantry divisions) between to allied airfields. Go figure...

 

[Miihkali]

Of course HoI panzer divisions has also infantry with them, like real panzer divisions have. Also, there have been several amphibious tanks since WWII.

 

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They do suffer a heavy penalty if landing against opposition. If the port was undefended, in real life they could have been lowered onto the dock. Was the city defended or undefended?
David

 

[Alex_brunius]

They do suffer a heavy penalty if landing against opposition. If the port was undefended, in real life they could have been lowered onto the dock. Was the city defended or undefended?
David

They must have been unopposed. iirc panzer divs in amf assault get -99% combat modifyer making them worthless if they encounter anything more than a rat on the beachheads. Since they do carry some infantery with them perhaps they should only have -90% or something like that?

Perhaps it is just me, but does anyone else think it is wierd (or at least, historically unacurate) that armoured divisions can make amphibious assaults by themselves onto enemy provinces?

I can agree with you that they need massively more shipping to be sealifted than they do ingame. Perhaps 2-5times that of a light infantery division. And I will also agree that all amfibious assaults should take up more shipping. USA for example were pumping out ships and still had to little to move their troops around freely before 1944.
But I have seen a single garrision defeat 3landing full panzer divisions, so are they unrealistic? no, unacurate? no. You need to defend the beaches if you want to keep them.

 

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Special missions available acording to division type

The province was undefended, which was a mistake. The issue, as i see it, is to bring more realism to the game by adjusting the missions available for each type of divisions. For example.

-Amphibious assault should only be available for marines, comandos, paratroops, foot and motorized infantry, as i think it was the real historical precedent. The use of heavy mechanized divisions in amphibious assaults would require a transport fleet far larger then the standard represented in the game;

-The same light divisions, except motorized divisions, should be air transportable between friendly airfields, it transport aircraft are available;

Anyway, just an idea for discussion. In the navy for example, missions are assigned according to the type of ship (a transport can't shore bombard, for example, except if escorted by other warships).

 

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The province was undefended, which was a mistake. The issue, as i see it, is to bring more realism to the game by adjusting the missions available for each type of divisions. For example.

-Amphibious assault should only be available for marines, comandos, paratroops, foot and motorized infantry, as i think it was the real historical precedent. The use of heavy mechanized divisions in amphibious assaults would require a transport fleet far larger then the standard represented in the game;

-The same light divisions, except motorized divisions, should be air transportable between friendly airfields, it transport aircraft are available;

Anyway, just an idea for discussion. In the navy for example, missions are assigned according to the type of ship (a transport can't shore bombard, for example, except if escorted by other warships).

I think it would suck to say that tanks can´t make amphibius assults. Of course they can all troops can, but it true that marines and infantry is better for the task. I think the best thing is if the tanks can make amphibius assults but they get a huge penelty. (At the D-day a lot of tanks were used)

The think that transportplanes shood be able to carry troops - at least infantry divisions - from airfield to airfield. But the planes shood lose all their organisation when doing it and to make another airtransport they need to have full organisation, like when you making airborne assults. Still only paradroopers can attack enemie territorities from the air.

If you make an amphibius assult with 5 transporters with a fleet thats also contains 4 battleships I think the battleships shood automatlicty conduct shore bombardment.