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I wonder then if some sort of Caliphate state made up of all arab peoples under German/Italian control would be possible?

One it would provide a united strong nation to the parent and secondly the internal pressures would keep it from getting too strong.

How about United Arab Republic? Sure Pan-Arabists tried to create an unified Arab state, but Caliphate feels bit old fashioned for a WWII game.


Why? One of the German options (prior to the one we aren't allowed to discuss) was setting up a Jewish state. Possible options were Madagascar, the Far East, and other parts of Africa.

There were all kinds of plans, some of those plans were more realistic than the others.

All I'm going to say about Nazi plans I already said in post 52. Naturally you have right to disagree with me, but I'm not going to defend my view with proper arguments, because I don't want to try pushing the forum rules any further.
 
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Yeah, and plenty of Zionists, mostly from the various pseudo-fascist militias like Lehi, flirted with Nazi Germany to help the establishment of a Jewish state.
 
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Israel is such great nation and strongest military power in middle east.
It would have been a great asset for allies in WW2.

I know it's hard to believe but before WW2, the nazis wanted to create a jewish state in order to have a place to send the german jews.

In 1933, the Jewish Agency and the Nazis negotiated the Ha'avara Agreement(transfer agreement), under which 50,000 Jews would be transferred to Palestine. The Jews possessions were confiscated and in return the Nazis allowed the Ha'avara organization to purchase 14 million pounds worth of German goods for export to Palestine (which was used to compensate the immigrants). The Nazis did not normally allow Jews to leave with any money or to take more than two suitcases. The agreement was controversial and the Labour Zionist leader who negotiated the agreement, Haim Arlosoroff, was assassinated in Tel Aviv in 1933. The assassination was a long source of anger between the Zionist left and Zionist right. Arlosoroff once dated Magda Goebbels and may have been assassinated by the Nazis to hide the connection, which only emerged recently. In Palestine, Jewish immigration (and the Ha'avara goods) helped the economy to flourish. A port and oil refineries were built at Haifa and there was a growth of industrialization in the predominantly agricultural Palestinian economy.

Between 1929 and 1938, 250,000 Jews arrived in Palestine (Fifth Aliyah). 174,000 arrived between 1933 and 1936, after which the British increasingly restricted immigration. The influx contributed to the 1933 Palestine riots. Migration was mostly from Europe and included professionals, doctors, lawyers and professors from Germany. As a consequence German architects of theBauhaus school made Tel-Aviv the world's only city with purely Bauhaus neighborhoods and Palestine had the highest per-capita percentage of doctors in the world.

As Fascist regimes emerged across Europe, persecution of Jews massively increased, and Jews reverted to being non-citizens deprived of civil and economic rights, subject to arbitrary persecution. Significantly antisemitic governments came to power in Poland (from 1935 the government boycotted Jews), Hungary, Romania and the Nazi created states of Croatiaand Slovakia, while Germany annexed Austria and the Czech territories.

Israel was the best luck to survive for many jews before 1939. A lot of them would have been saved before 1939 if they had their own country.

And the Ha'avara agreement was a shame because nazis stole the wealth of german jews but in the end it saved 50 000 jews.

The Haavara (Transfer) Agreement was agreed to by the German government in 1933 to allow the Zionist movement, in the form of the Haavara company to transfer property from Germany to Palestine, for the sole purpose of encouraging Jewish emigration from Germany. The Haavara company operated under a similar plan as the earlier Hanotea company. The Haavara Company required immigrants to pay at least 1000 pounds sterling into the banking company. This money would then be used to buy German exports for import to Palestine.

The Haavara Agreement was thought among certain circles to be a possible way to rid the country of its supposed "Jewish problem." The head of the Middle Eastern division of the foreign ministry, Werner Otto von Hentig, supported the policy of concentrating Jews in Palestine. Von Hentig believed that if the Jewish population was concentrated in a single foreign entity, then foreign diplomatic policy and containment of the Jews would become easier.[5] Hitler's support of the Haavara Agreement varied throughout the thirties. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but shortly reversed his opinion, and continued to support it, in the face of opposition, through 1939.[6]

After the invasion of Poland and the onset of World War II in 1939, the practical continuation of the Haavara agreement became impossible. In 1940, representatives of the underground Zionist group Lehi met with von Hentig to propose direct military cooperation with the Nazis for the continuation of the transfer of European Jews to Palestine.[7] This proposal, however, did not produce results.

One of the big mistake of Allies was not to understand how mad the nazis were and not to assist all european jews to run away. I'm glad today, we give them all the help they need...

It would be great if in HOI4, we could create this state before the war. As tribute for all innocent men and women killed by the nazis. I would be the first to play this nation.
 
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You can release Israel as the UK in HOI3 and then play as it by reloading the save game, or using a console command to switch nations.

As for the rest of your post, let's avoid forbidden topics, and try to stay on subject.
 
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