Palestine and israel in HOI 4
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There are a lot of things that HoI4 could and should do to add depth to the post-war settlement. At this moment in the game's development I'd rather Paradox focus on World War 2 itself, and do that really well. I might sound like a broken record, but the DLC I'm most looking forward to is the one I imagine will extend the end date from 31 DEC 1948 to 31 DEC 1953 (or later, but not 1991). It also seems to me that post-release is the best time to add all that wonderful flavor about Warsaw Pacts, Koreas, Berlin Airlifts and Israel-Palestine.
Ideally I'd want all of this at release, but the 3rd postponement of HoI4's release has made me more pragmatic.
There are a lot of things that HoI4 could and should do to add depth to the post-war settlement. At this moment in the game's development I'd rather Paradox focus on World War 2 itself, and do that really well. I might sound like a broken record, but the DLC I'm most looking forward to is the one I imagine will extend the end date from 31 DEC 1948 to 31 DEC 1953 (or later, but not 1991). It also seems to me that post-release is the best time to add all that wonderful flavor about Warsaw Pacts, Koreas, Berlin Airlifts and Israel-Palestine.
Ideally I'd want all of this at release, but the 3rd postponement of HoI4's release has made me more pragmatic.
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I suppose this could be covered under broader colonial mechanics. Something like a "consciousness"/"unrest" rating for different groups, called something more fitting, which basically measured how much they "yearned to be free". Releasing colonies could reduce unrest, but also create a snowball effect where other colonies eyed their chance of independence as well. Stats like these could also be part of influencing how many troops and whantot you received from the colonies.
Not sure exactly how it would work, people with more historical knowledge than me will be able to answer that, but it's been interesting to have "independence mechanics" in games like Europa Universalis 4 and Crusader Kings 2, so I'd probably also be interesting to have them in HOI4. There have been some very interesting discussions on colonial mechanics here before.
Not sure exactly how it would work, people with more historical knowledge than me will be able to answer that, but it's been interesting to have "independence mechanics" in games like Europa Universalis 4 and Crusader Kings 2, so I'd probably also be interesting to have them in HOI4. There have been some very interesting discussions on colonial mechanics here before.
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Palestine and Israel should both be releasable without annexation of the relevant territory (this should be a general rule for all releasable states as in HOI2). The Germans and Italians entertained the idea of an independent Arab state encompassing at least Palestine.
Generally speaking, you should be able to fund separatists/pro-independence forces in various parts of the world. I expect we'll have to wait for a DLC to see this, though.
The Japanese, Germans, and Italians especially attempted to exploit local nationalists in their own ends - all established a Indian legion of some sort, with the Japanese setting up a puppet government. The Germans had military units recruited from the various Caucasus and Central Asian nations. Japan also established puppet governments in various colonial territories including Burma, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and the Philippines. Egyptian nationalists were a target for recruitment by Axis intelligence and the Egyptian Army may well have gone over to the Axis had they successfully invaded the Nile delta.
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It depends a lot on the game mechanics. If i remember it correctly, you have just been able to release all core regions of a state or nothing in previous HOI games. Its the same for eu4.
And thats what leed to
Without the half/half solution you would not have been able to reproduce the historical situation of isral/palestine after ww2.You just would have been able to create Israel or Palestine according to the one you release first.
Maybe we should talk general about releasing Nations with more than one core and not so much about the special situation of Israel and Palestine! Its safer and covers this problem too!
As mentioned there are a lot to talk about like Korea ( i also found i annoying to have to release south korea if i played a victorious USSR and was not able to give all to north korea) or Poland (why schould i have to give Danzig and the rest of Polen with german cores back to Poland if i want to release them as germany or "free" them from the sowjets?
And thats what leed to
Without the half/half solution you would not have been able to reproduce the historical situation of isral/palestine after ww2.You just would have been able to create Israel or Palestine according to the one you release first.
Maybe we should talk general about releasing Nations with more than one core and not so much about the special situation of Israel and Palestine! Its safer and covers this problem too!
As mentioned there are a lot to talk about like Korea ( i also found i annoying to have to release south korea if i played a victorious USSR and was not able to give all to north korea) or Poland (why schould i have to give Danzig and the rest of Polen with german cores back to Poland if i want to release them as germany or "free" them from the sowjets?
Because, in HOI3, when you release Israel or Palestine they occupy the entire area of Israel/Palestine. You cannot then release the other because the first country you release takes all the territory.
What's needed is a mechanism which allows you to decide what territory the state you release gets. This is further complicated by the fact that Israel/Palestine will likely only be one state - even Wales isn't a state and that's about the same size as Israel/Palestine.
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Yep. Sounds like DLC material to me.
Not that I think such mechanics have no place in the initial release of HOI4, but since that won't happen, I think a DLC dedicated to this kind of stuff would be relevant. There are all kinds of tiny little mechanics that need to be included in such a package.
Like what happens to partisans in an area released as a puppet? If Germany gets zero partisan activity in a released Ukraine, that's overpowered and ahistorical. But it shouldn't be full powered partisans, either.
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That is not true. The only shared core they have is Jerusalem, otherwise you can release both with the fist one released taking over Jerusalem
Even in HOI3, you could have both. Just have each be two releasable countries, ie. Isael proper and Israel sans areas given to Palestine, and vice versa.
Would be confusing as heck, but definitely possible engine-wise
.Even in HOI3, you could have both. Just have each be two releasable countries, ie. Isael proper and Israel sans areas given to Palestine, and vice versa.
Would be confusing as heck, but definitely possible engine-wise
I think we may be talking about different versions of HOI3 here.
I still see map problems. For example the Arab - Israeli war of 1948 is no fun without a far more detailed map. And without any war going on, there is no point about doing anything about the region.
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There could be some independence event, but I don't think that it should be a first priority considering that there will be no 1948 start date and the game ends when the historical First Arab-Israeli War was still ongoing. However I think that both Israel and Palestine should exist as releasable states (just like before).
If there will be any historical events about Israel and Palestine, then I think that those should be related to 1936-39 Arab revolt in Palestine and German support to Haj Amin al-Husseini during the WWII.
If there will be any historical events about Israel and Palestine, then I think that those should be related to 1936-39 Arab revolt in Palestine and German support to Haj Amin al-Husseini during the WWII.
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For this to work, you have to have a system that allows you to release a country with only a portion of it's cores, unless you do everything only be event, handing over pre-selected provinces, plus perhaps a system that allows you to claim new cores.
I still think one the funniest moment ever in a Paradox game was when I found out you could release a puppet Nazi Israel in HOI 2.
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