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Kyparissia is where it's supposed to be.

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Then where does "Arcadia" come from? That's the place they called Arcadia back then, and Arcadia otherwise is a region, rather than an actual holding.

In practice, they were. It doesn't matter if there were small hold outs, because they obviously had zero historical significance. They aren't even a footnote.


It should, because it's not going to change.

Evidently, they were a footnote if an emperor is personally writing about them. The pagans of Arabia show up in later post-Renaissance texts as well.

Plus, if you haven't noticed, I didn't make the thread. I'm simply being a contributor. Nobody here is doing anything wrong or problematic, and this thread is dedicated specifically to the discussion of this topic.
 
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Then where does "Arcadia" come from? That's the place they called Arcadia back then, and Arcadia otherwise is a region, rather than an actual holding.

I loaded up 1337 to see what its holdings are; Mistra (Sparta) is the capitol, then Monemvasa, Arcadia and Gythio, which is on the Mani Peninsula (albiet 600 years too late for Hellenism). So I'm not sure what's up.
 

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Helios Panoptes said:
I loaded up 1337 to see what its holdings are; Mistra (Sparta) is the capitol, then Monemvasa, Arcadia and Gythio, which is on the Mani Peninsula (albiet 600 years too late for Hellenism). So I'm not sure what's up.

That was a tiny village (19th century population of 500) in the Late Medieval era. It was an ancient city destroyed by invading Slavs and Goths, only rebuilt much later.

The general point is that there is a castle of some historical significance that existed there in the earliest start dates which could act as a barony for a single Hellenic ruler to have their court and carry on their lineage. Basil made an active effort to convert the Maniotes and he did, but if he did not, they likely would have continued as they were. The only reason they existed as Hellenes at all is because it was fairly isolated from the mainstream Byzantine consciousness, even if there was a castle there.

Also, Mistra isn't Sparta. As said earlier, Sparta was all but extinct in the Middle Ages. Mistra is another name for Mystras, the main Palaiologos center of administration in Southern Greece. It became the capital of the Despotate of Morea, which is what the Byzantines became after the Ottomans captured Constantinople and usurped the title of Roman Empire officially (the Patriarch of Constantinople crowning Mehmet included)
 

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Mistra was located just outside of ancient Sparta and is part of the city today, but, you're right it wasn't Sparta - I meant that it was in that place in the southern part of the province.
 

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....The entire point of this thread is that, around the Charlemagne and Old Gods starts, these religions weren't actually dead.

There were also Luciferians during this time but we're not arguing for getting them included in vanilla. Just because there were a few backwoods villages where some of the population followed something like the old religion doesn't mean it should be added.

So yes, just download mods that add new religions and/or content for non-supported ones.
 
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Thanks for clearing things up.