Pacifist Communist France - help!

[Aotrs Commander]

Okay, I'm France. It is 1887. It is my first game. I have/am suffering from a HUGE communist revolution (like 10% of the population, three million or so) far more than I was able to put down, even given that I had a pretty large army (and had been steadily expanding).

France as stands:

(In addition, I have modest amount of stuff in east Asia.)

So, aside from having to basically just save-scam to stop it happening continuously, it seems I am stuck with it.

Problem: the communist party for France is pacifist. (Everything else I culd have lived with.) I have been playing pretty hard-core military expansion (I was running bonapartism and the starting one before that) and this... kind of screws with my day and goals something rotten.

(Not to mention getting rid of all the political reforms I'd managed to pass. I really struggled to get any social reforms passed, because the upper house would never get enough strength, because I was working on conquest, despite my best efforts.)

How bad are the pacifism malus going to screw with further warfare? (Because at least I suppose now my sphere has been completed gutted - wonderful - maybe I can snipe another state out of Spain...)

Clearly, I need to be trying to aim for Facism if I want to continue map-painting, but that's a fair way off. How do I maximise, from where I am, the chances of getting a facist revolution (post 1900) or alternatively, how do I get out of communism and back to one or other of the other parties?

What are my options here?

 

[Greybeard0815]

Just prevent those rebels from taking Paris and keep your stacks together. This situation is a lot easier to handle than it looks. The only real danger is that 114k stack on your capital.

This is just what a proper Civil War looks like.

Looking at the map, you certainly deserve this though. Poor Spaniards. Poor Germans.

 

[Aotrs Commander]

Technically, poor Prussia, since it was predominatly them (and Holland) I swiped the land from...!

Germany has sort of just materialised after my last war (and appear now to be at war with Prussia up north - you can just see the bottom of occupied Prussia at the top of the map).

So, if I can keep my capital clear, I might be able to beat the revolution? I was slashing my through them the first time until they (without warning, because I'm used to the later games with a warscore indicator) suddenly won, and they'd taken a lot of land. (I hadn't even really twigged about Paris, since, of course, everything was so buried under the swathe of notifications and armies I never gave it a thought.)

 

[Iron Chariots]

Technically, poor Prussia, since it was predominatly them (and Holland) I swiped the land from...!

Germany has sort of just materialised after my last war (and appear now to be at war with Prussia up north - you can just see the bottom of occupied Prussia at the top of the map).

So, if I can keep my capital clear, I might be able to beat the revolution? I was slashing my through them the first time until they (without warning, because I'm used to the later games with a warscore indicator) suddenly won, and they'd taken a lot of land. (I hadn't even really twigged about Paris, since, of course, everything was so buried under the swathe of notifications and armies I never gave it a thought.)

Yeah, political rebels (e.g., communists, fascists, reactionaries, etc.), will only win if they take and hold your capital. The only time you need to worry about rebels occupying other territories winning is if they're aiming for independence-- then they'll win if they occupy and hold all of their cores.

 

[Aotrs Commander]

Yeah, political rebels (e.g., communists, fascists, reactionaries, etc.), will only win if they take and hold your capital. The only time you need to worry about rebels occupying other territories winning is if they're aiming for independence-- then they'll win if they occupy and hold all of their cores.

Ta! That worked, I managed to mop them up relatively easily once that was under control.

Better build a few more troops, still, that's liekly to happen again! (And perhaps time to start stationing a permenant garrison in Paris...!)

 

[elektrizikekswerk]

How bad are the pacifism malus going to screw with further warfare? (Because at least I suppose now my sphere has been completed gutted - wonderful - maybe I can snipe another state out of Spain...)

If you want to expand further by military the last thing you want to happen is a Pacifist government:
http://www.victoria2wiki.com/Party_issues#Pacifist

 

[Iron Chariots]

Ta! That worked, I managed to mop them up relatively easily once that was under control.

Better build a few more troops, still, that's liekly to happen again! (And perhaps time to start stationing a permenant garrison in Paris...!)

A permanent garrison isn't a bad idea at all-- it won't even take a very big one, since rebels don't benefit from military technology, so even a basic 4 inf/1 hussar/5 artillery stack will suffice. Put some general on there that at least won't give you the -2 for no commander and you'll be golden.