will there be out side man power for german units like the 38 waffen ss divs or amry units from spian or russian ,lithuania ,france if not why not as most of the weffen ss came for places and the amry did the same
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i think thats what hapend the the german player shold have the exther man power out of easten and westen eourp as they did in ww2 for the army and the ss by the way will the ss get most of its man power . comes out form easten and westen eourp not out of the garmany afthere all most of the german army in franes that made up the 60 divs 1944 where of easten eorpens
a small corection..there wasn't many lithuanians who served in waffen SS divisions..it was latvians who did ,we had 16th lithuanian division in soviet army....as for german army..they had some SS divisions fighting on their side composed of foreighn solders but that was insubstantual....60 divisions of east europeans hmm..i would say more like 6
A sizable amount of non-germans served militarily for the Nazi regime. Enough so that I'm sure it will be represented in the game with some abstraction or another.
I think that forces recruite from non-germans province should have weeker morale or something (is there going to be morale in this game at all?)
There is a list of the "foreign" units in the Wehrmacht & Waffen SS here:
http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/military-foreign.htm
But please note that many of these units were understrength. There is also a list of foreign and volksdeutsche volunteers in the Waffen SS (I'm not sure how reliable these numbers are - some of them seem a bit high...)
http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/ss-foreign-stat.htm
http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/military-foreign.htm
But please note that many of these units were understrength. There is also a list of foreign and volksdeutsche volunteers in the Waffen SS (I'm not sure how reliable these numbers are - some of them seem a bit high...)
http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/ss-foreign-stat.htm
Well, this isn't really supported by history. Some units of non-Germans in the SS fought like elite troopers, while others were extremely unreliable.
Well, by the same token England should have an unlimited manpool from her dominions.
The actual strength of non-german divisions was insignificant, and the role of some of them, well, is not worth mentioning (for obvious reasons ). Irregulars were employed too, mostly as Police and anti-partisan units.
Also, Byelorussian division on that list was manned mostly by Russians.
The actual strength of non-german divisions was insignificant, and the role of some of them, well, is not worth mentioning (for obvious reasons
). Irregulars were employed too, mostly as Police and anti-partisan units.Also, Byelorussian division on that list was manned mostly by Russians.
Hey, a unit's a unit, no matter how crappy it is But, yes, I agree that not all of the non-German units should be represented, but some definitely should.
But, yes, I agree that not all of the non-German units should be represented, but some definitely should.
Originally posted by PBI
Hey, a unit's a unit, no matter how crappy it is
It probably would be more along the lines on how much you can recruit in occupied territories.
This is not EU folks
Let's try and remember that this isn't just going to be EU in the 1930's, guys From some of the comments in the FAQ, we might not be raising armies like in EU, but more along traditional boardgame lines (having a pool of units to build based on year and/or research). In fact, since one of the designers has said this will be a divisional-level simulation, I'd be willing to say that the boardgame/unit model might be the way things are headed.
Of course, when the game actually comes out, all bets might very well be off
Let's try and remember that this isn't just going to be EU in the 1930's, guys
From some of the comments in the FAQ, we might not be raising armies like in EU, but more along traditional boardgame lines (having a pool of units to build based on year and/or research). In fact, since one of the designers has said this will be a divisional-level simulation, I'd be willing to say that the boardgame/unit model might be the way things are headed.Of course, when the game actually comes out, all bets might very well be off
"Where the Finnish SS stood, Victory was achieved"
-Heinrich Himmler
like an earlier author said, yes some are unreliable but others were fanatical elite troops.
-Heinrich Himmler
like an earlier author said, yes some are unreliable but others were fanatical elite troops.
Wow... an entire battalion of finns, I´m almost impressed
Some Waffen-SS units were extremly fine (e.g LSSAH and DR ) just to name a few, but some very very bad (e.g Handschar, Polizei) . This goes for both domestic german units as well as units with foreign volunteers.
i still think that haveing all 38 ss div shold be raised in the game not having them in there would be a merstake and by the way the ss man power should be spret from the other arms forces germany .
What would be the point of having a 5,000 strong Albanian division, half of which deserted within the first few hours of its existence?
Originally posted by Crook
What would be the point of having a 5,000 strong Albanian division, half of which deserted within the first few hours of its existence?
The point would be that it would be a unit, a collection of warm bodies to plug a hole or take losses. A weak unit, granted, but by then, beggars couldn't be choosers
Troops from occupied areas that fought for the Germans.
70.000 Cossacks
350.000 Ukraines
There was also 3 divisions from the Baltic states.
There was also many russians.
The so called Hiwi's (Hilfswilligen), RONA (Russian National Liberation Army) and ROA (Russian Liberation Army).
If Germans Had treated the population in occupied easten areas
better then they did.
Then Alfred Rosenbergs plan to setup areas with self-govement could have succeded.
In Ukraine many regarded the germans as liberators. But the way the germans under Erich Koch treated them made the population turn against the germans.
70.000 Cossacks
350.000 Ukraines
There was also 3 divisions from the Baltic states.
There was also many russians.
The so called Hiwi's (Hilfswilligen), RONA (Russian National Liberation Army) and ROA (Russian Liberation Army).
If Germans Had treated the population in occupied easten areas
better then they did.
Then Alfred Rosenbergs plan to setup areas with self-govement could have succeded.
In Ukraine many regarded the germans as liberators. But the way the germans under Erich Koch treated them made the population turn against the germans.
You jumped a little bit over the edge with Ukrainians, unless you want to count all irregular and polizei units, and all other scum.
And again, mostly West Ukrainians.
After the war the russians sent ukraines that worked for germans
to sibiria.
50.000 that had activly fought against the red army went to prison for 5 to 25 years of hard labour.
200.000 of the lesser collaborators had to work without pay in the years after the war.
300.000 workers that had voluntarily gone to germany got up to 20 years labour camps.
50.000 from the polizei units (of a total of 80.000) was arrested.
30.000 was killed the rest went to labour camps for 25 years.
to sibiria.
50.000 that had activly fought against the red army went to prison for 5 to 25 years of hard labour.
200.000 of the lesser collaborators had to work without pay in the years after the war.
300.000 workers that had voluntarily gone to germany got up to 20 years labour camps.
50.000 from the polizei units (of a total of 80.000) was arrested.
30.000 was killed the rest went to labour camps for 25 years.