Ottomans ,

[ChainsawBlue 36]

I have done those now in this run and honestly at the end it was really annoying. What I mean:
Taking over greece etc. and then the conquering su , gb and italy was really fun to do. To a degree even conquering the USA. But then it became absolutly annoying:

I attacked germany, defeated it quick but there was no peace conference because of all nations in their faction a one province south american minor without core province ( france) was considered mayor and prevented faction surrender. I send some of my marines over, believed everything is solved now but no:
Mexican junta now considered mayor too. So moving a lot more to america was needed and fighting in mexican mountains ....Maybe it was just that i was playing for to long already...

Then i wanted to get this put the band together achievement.. So i liberated hungary and gave them austria in the peace conference. Of course they needed ages to pick the focus and then did not even want to join my faction, so i had to attack them. They joined dom.rep then which was considered mayor... Had to move marines back to carribean again.

So the normal faction joining, mayor reconsidering peace conference nonsense.

I tried to replicate your run, and I rushed ottomans but before I could get Bulgaria my world tension limit way way too low to declare, and then it cancelled because they had a civil war. Then Italy joined the British and they both puppeted France. Then Italy annexed Greece way before I even got close to the greek focus, (remember I had beelined just ottoman tree). And also on top of that, Yugoslaiva, Romania and Hungary formed the Balkan Entente. I have 98% of achievements and this was legit the worst luck I've had in a game. Going to have to start over. Non-historical can be so crappy sometimes

So even if I got Yugoslavia, Greece and Bulgaria which I have done in a historical game, but is difficult to expand in that circumstance, what did you do next?

 

[Tsavong]

So even if I got Yugoslavia, Greece and Bulgaria which I have done in a historical game, but is difficult to expand in that circumstance, what did you do next?

Well: I was at war with the USA, as was Germany too. So I was able to join the axis .
I build up my army (only had like 300k men in it at this point), especially some 26width heavy tank (+ heavy spg) divisions and waited for them to attack the UDSSR . Then i joined that war and helped them to take out russia. ( had 2 tank divisions then) I was able to get more warscore then germany and took a huge chunk of russia.
Afterwards i immedeatly brought my army to the italian and british borders (in syria) and declared on them. I did not call Germany into that war. (they did not wanted to anyway).
But I could use the german airports in benelux . So i used them to parachute to england, when great britian had moved most divisions to fight in italy. Capitulated them quickly, then finished off Italy, which was difficult cause they had air superiority and do to the bad italian terrain for heavy tanks.
In the peace conference i did not annex all of britain and italy , but instead puppeted them each in one province . Reason for that is that you can get their navy, when you integrate them with the puppet mechanic. So I did that and suddenly had a navy off 500 ships.
Next target was denmark to conquer greenland. From there I invaded boston. Used my 500 ships navy to secure the ocean.

 

[Mike6979]

Yeah, I do not even know how you beat Greece; I tried Ottoman route and by time I was able to declare WW2 was starting, I could not beat Greece because 1 area mountain border, then Greece called Britain, who abandoned all of Africa including Suez to the the Italians and invaded me with 27 divisions. GG.

 

[Beserker]

There's lots of bugs in the Ottoman focus tree. The Saadabad pact doesn't work, they don't join your faction and don't become your puppet.
Apart from that the Ottoman focus tree is very late game, manpower is very restrictive. Grand Ottoman Sovereignty is way better.
Have these issues been patched?

They’ve released a Beta for version 1.10.2. According to the patch notes, they have shaved off about 245 days of focuses, depending on the path (175 days across the board + 35/70 days, depending on path). Haven’t tried it out yet, though. We’ll see if it’s enough. They have also added a 5th research slot.

It’s amazing to see that we are being heard! Bulgaria had many days shaved off as well

 

[Tsavong]

because 1 area mountain border,

take out bulgaria first. Then the border is longer. And use naval invasions : Greece normally pulls most divisions to the northern front. Then you can easily take over southern greece.

then Greece called Britain, who abandoned all of Africa including Suez to the the Italians and invaded me with 27 divisions. GG.

thats why i played ahistorical. Great Britain was not democratic so they did not join greece. USA did but they cant get to turkey.

 

[SwordofKhaine]

They’ve released a Beta for version 1.10.2. According to the patch notes, they have shaved off about 245 days of focuses, depending on the path (175 days across the board + 35/70 days, depending on path). Haven’t tried it out yet, though. We’ll see if it’s enough. They have also added a 5th research slot.

It’s amazing to see that we are being heard! Bulgaria had many days shaved off as well

Have they addressed the Saadabad Pact though? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan is supposed to become puppet but they don't.
I mean I can edit it in the notepad probably but what a weird bug.

 

[TalyonUngol]

They’ve released a Beta for version 1.10.2. According to the patch notes, they have shaved off about 245 days of focuses, depending on the path (175 days across the board + 35/70 days, depending on path). Haven’t tried it out yet, though. We’ll see if it’s enough. They have also added a 5th research slot.

It’s amazing to see that we are being heard! Bulgaria had many days shaved off as well

wait they did?!?!?!? Awesome! I needto check this out.

 

[Beserker]

wait they did?!?!?!? Awesome! I needto check this out.

They did, but I couldn't get to play it in order to see exactly what was changed - I keep getting "missing executable [...] dowser.exe" when updating and trying to launch the beta... I guess I'm stuck with 1.10.1 until release :/

 

[Kazakk]

Literally just go ottomans and take the decision to reform succession.
That's it, just wait

I took the decision and still got the weaker leader when I completed the focus

 

[brantodb01]

I took the decision and still got the weaker leader when I completed the focus

You don't take a focus to get her, you need to wait for the gentle guy to die at about '42-'43 ish

 

[Buuuuurp]

Turkey's focus tree is way better now. Finally got a 4th extra research slot, and the 5th no longer needs to be in faction with Austria-Hungary. Not to mention the 35 day foci

 

[Nakkivene]

Turkey's focus tree is way better now. Finally got a 4th extra research slot, and the 5th no longer needs to be in faction with Austria-Hungary. Not to mention the 35 day foci

Yeah. Also now when you retire Ataturk, his successor is Ataturk and he keeps dying over and over while leading the country.

Necroids species pack bleeding over to HoI4?

 

[andersonm]

Have they addressed the Saadabad Pact though? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan is supposed to become puppet but they don't.
I mean I can edit it in the notepad probably but what a weird bug.

The focus is bugged and only works if you are already a faction leader. So if you create a faction (invite Bulgaria for example) before you complete it then you will get them all as puppets as intended.

 

[TalyonUngol]

Well this is unfort. I justt lost my 5th research slot because I disbanded my faction.

And yes, I had to disband my faction as I was about to lose a war goal. And if its not clear, if you're in a faction, the person you are declaring on is more likely to join a faction.

 

[blahmaster6k]

Well this is unfort. I justt lost my 5th research slot because I disbanded my faction.

And yes, I had to disband my faction as I was about to lose a war goal. And if its not clear, if you're in a faction, the person you are declaring on is more likely to join a faction.

Wait, you can LOSE research slots? This has to be a bug. I've never seen that happen nor did I know it was even possible.

 

[Rashie]

Well this is unfort. I justt lost my 5th research slot because I disbanded my faction.

And yes, I had to disband my faction as I was about to lose a war goal. And if its not clear, if you're in a faction, the person you are declaring on is more likely to join a faction.

It is a patch rolled out as an opt-in beta after all, if unexpected shit happens, write a bug report on it in the proper forum.

 

[TalyonUngol]

I should have been more clear. The research slot was never gained. The final focus in the Ottoman require you to be in a faction to get the research slot. I disbanded my faction while doing the focus and it bypassed which locked me out of getting the fifth slot. I understand that the focus works but it needs a change. I shouldn't br forced into a faction. Factions cause problems.

 

[SwordofKhaine]

So i decided to give ottomans a try. Was quite fun even with the way to ottomans taking a little bit to long.
But It looks like as if the ottomans path was complety thought out with germany and hungary going down the non-aligned ahistoric focus part in mind. The problem is : They don't .
So i continued nontheless and was able to get 3 countries under occuption:

What is the trigger for Bulgaria to become puppet?

 

[Tsavong]

What is the trigger for Bulgaria to become puppet?

I made a wargoal manually and annexed it. But thats the event bulgaria gets, when you select the focus:

option = {
        name = bftb_turkey.97.a #we are protected from the vile Ottomans!
        trigger = {
            is_in_faction = yes
        }
        TUR = { country_event = { id = bftb_turkey.98 hours = 8 } }
    }
    option = {
        name = bftb_turkey.97.b #1908 will not have been in vain
        trigger = {
            is_in_faction = no
        }
        TUR = { country_event = { id = bftb_turkey.101 hours = 8 } }
    }
    option = {
        name = bftb_turkey.97.c #we cannot resist the Ottoman menace
        add_stability = -0.15
        TUR = { puppet = ROOT }
        create_country_leader = {
            name = "Ferdinand I"
            desc = "POLITICS_FERDINAND_I_DESC"
            picture = "GFX_portrait_bul_ferdinand_i"
            expire = "1965.1.1"
            ideology = despotism
            traits = {
                the_humbled_knyaz
            }
        }
        hidden_effect = {
            TUR = { country_event = { id = bftb_turkey.100 hours = 8 } }
        }

Option 3 is accepting to become a puppet. I dont see a trigger there or an ai chance. So thats means bulgaria never accepts? or does someone understand that better?

 

[Buuuuurp]

Still having some manpower issues. They need to fix the coring of former parts of Ottoman Empire like Syria (requires Kuwait) and Rumelia (Albania is required but you actually need Syrian area)

Some eyalets are so large you need to drag everyone on war (e.g. Eyalet of Rumelia - Bulgaria, Greece, Albania area)