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makaramus

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as someone who never did WC I want to make very powerful suggestion
make sure you gonna reach 100 absolutism moment mechanic unlocked (or get close to 100 as much as possible)
absolutism allowing players to blob faster than before

humanist ideas are great for blobbling too and ottomans are very good with them
if you gave up for one faith I dont advice religius idea group . casus belli nice but not that much if you ask to me .
 

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Here is a little update of my WC attempt.
I think im a bit too slow, i only have 1k Dev.
My next Goal will be India, and the east coast of Africa.

View attachment 323891

Poor Ungarn...

And my 6/4/6 King is 69 this is a bit suprising.

Your speed is just fine. but it will be nice to tell which country is your vassal.

For comparison, here's my current Coptoman WC attempt (it's 1710 and in the bag) at 1500. Take this with a big grain of salt as I started it a few months ago in 1.22 when Ottos had a bunch of free cores as did Persia. Persia is a vassal and going Coptic also let me eventually get a PU over Castile.
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imo the grain of salt, is a bag of salt. Arabia/timi area has now a LOT more dev, more tags to balance your AE. And not to mention no more using Persia reconquest on timi shenanigans.
 

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Your speed is just fine. but it will be nice to tell which country is your vassal.
imo the grain of salt, is a bag of salt. Arabia/timi area has now a LOT more dev, more tags to balance your AE. And not to mention no more using Persia reconquest on timi shenanigans.
Yeah, I was a bit hesitant to include it, but I wanted the OP to get a sense of what a "normal" player can accomplish. It'll be interesting to see how his run develops. I imagine the early-game differences in expansion between a 1.22 WC and a 1.23/1.24 WC could be pretty large, but, by the late 1600s , they'd probably be pretty similar.
 

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Well my sense might be a bit biased, since I only played one 1.23 game (WC mamluks). While I was a bit fooling around till 1600, it's just feel I need to take more resources and time to eat through those area. But then again I use in lots of war only 50% of my units, since I kept drilling them.
 

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I personally wouldn't have released Syria but instead cored that land yourself since it is in your culture group and you probably took the mission to get claims. But overall this is a completely fine pace, get a lot of trade company land before 1610 and you're golden.
 

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I personally wouldn't have released Syria but instead cored that land yourself since it is in your culture group and you probably took the mission to get claims. But overall this is a completely fine pace, get a lot of trade company land before 1610 and you're golden.

Syria reconquest is necessary post CoC, because you will get coalitioned otherwise. Too many Sunni nations.

Unless you are good at managing coalitions. As this person has 150 hrs, not 4000, erring on the side of caution is good.

Before 1.23, yeah, Syria vassal is silly.
 

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Syria reconquest is necessary post CoC, because you will get coalitioned otherwise. Too many Sunni nations.

Unless you are good at managing coalitions. As this person has 150 hrs, not 4000, erring on the side of caution is good.

Before 1.23, yeah, Syria vassal is silly.
conquest allows 100% warscore worth of provinces, reconquest 133% you dont even get all the cores back in one war iirc the only con is you dont state it earlier, but it does come ready for stating, and rebel free
 

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conquest allows 100% warscore worth of provinces, reconquest 133% you dont even get all the cores back in one war iirc the only con is you dont state it earlier, but it does come ready for stating, and rebel free

For 1.22 and before, conquering Syria was better. Money and forcelimit. Tons of money and force limit, and you don't have to wait ten years for it. Syria isn't big enough for reconquest vs claims on everything to be a big deal, Ottos are better at direct coring anyway, and the AE didn't matter.

Syrian rebels were never a problem. They're accepted culture and true faith. Also, your armies are gonna be nearby for quite a while.

You could go straight from kicking in the Mamluks to eating QQ and releasing Persia - which was worth the wait because it had so much development to reconquest, and its heretic religion/wrong culture. So long as you took Mogostan yourself, anyway.

None of that is true now, though. Vassalizing Syria is the right thing to do, 1.23+.