Ottomans Nerfed? - The Superthread

[Rider_of_Doom]

In my game Venice backed out and Hungary hasn't guaranteed Albania... but Bohema allied Albania. In the end, it couldn't save them. What I find disturbing are some weird alliances right at the start of the game:

Ottomans - Novgorod (Muscovy isn't a rival of Ottos)
Qara Qoyunlu - Georgia (allied heretic neighbors)
Albania - Bohemia (there's literally zero strategic reason for Bohemia do ally Albania)

 

[ChloePech]

People do realize the Ottomans were scared shitless by the Mamluks early because they were still recovering from the Timurid invasion, yes? Ottomans can still win if they build up their power-base first.

 

[SGL3000]

What graphic mod are you using OP? =)

 

[Kapi96]

History.

And since when has EU4 been a history simulator instead of a game?

If things play out the exact same way every time because "history" then that's just boring. If things vary even without player intervention then that's a fun and interesting game.

 

[Alblaka]

The Venice guarantee of Albania is also a nerf of Ottoman.

Venedice starts with a Guarnatuee on Albania now? Hmmm, alright, that is +- a change Ottoman AI likely isn't good in dealing with.

 

[Kapi96]

Awesome. I'd love to see certain parts of the map painted different colours for once

 

[ruzen]

What graphic mod are you using OP? =)

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=317529391

 

[WeissRaben]

From a historical perspective - is it really so certain that the Ottomans were destined to rise as they did?

Not really. OTL is more or less the most they could have done as far as territorial size, even though they could have surely handled their nadir more gracefully. "1683 and at the gates of Wien" should really be a great game, not the average one.

 

[warrior6]

And since when has EU4 been a history simulator instead of a game?

If things play out the exact same way every time because "history" then that's just boring. If things vary even without player intervention then that's a fun and interesting game.

its a game based on history. otherwise they can add events where aliens help you and you'd only be able to object from a balance perspective and not a design one.

 

[Rashie]

For what little it's worth, I've got an Ottoman in my first 1.23 game that have taken provinces off the Mamluks and are currently busy fighting and winning against Venice for the second time by the looks of it about 35 years in.

Id say this needs more data before any real discussion can be had about if they were nerfed too much.

 

[Mortmal]

I started a karaman game to get the sultanate of rum achievement. First step allying the Mamluks, the new supposed powerhouse,then vassalized every minors in the area just to block ottomans from expanding .The army strengh of mamluks + my vassals is nowhere near enough to beat ottomans. I've not noticed them being nerfed at all so far.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

History.

Coherent reasoning is always a plus.

History alone as the argument is not coherent.

 

[MrMess85]

And since when has EU4 been a history simulator instead of a game?

If things play out the exact same way every time because "history" then that's just boring. If things vary even without player intervention then that's a fun and interesting game.

If things were completely random then it would be nothing but a

its a game based on history. otherwise they can add events where aliens help you and you'd only be able to object from a balance perspective and not a design one.

Exactly. Why bother with events at all if it's just meant to be random.

 

[Dell19]

Best time to go for the Albania or Iberia achievement?

 

[Sukramo]

The Ottomans are still very strong, the only thing that really changed is that the Mamluks are now also pretty strong. This means that Mamluks can now win a war vs the Ottomans on occation.

This is a good thing.

 

[Twoflower]

Keep in mind that the Ottomans being unable to easily squash Albania (and Albania receiving help from Venice) is actually what happened historically. Byzantium smartly taking advantage of that is something different, but not so implausible.

 

[FrogCrusher]

And since when has EU4 been a history simulator instead of a game?

Random games are called Civilisation series, not EUx

 

[Zephyrum]

Flashbacks of patch 1.18/1.19 when Hungary would ally and guarantee Albania early, anyone?

Bit disappointed I lost the only long-term threat, albeit a bit happy that I'll be seeing natural Byzantiums now.

 

[Lord Dakier]

Don't worry guys! There will be a hotfix released tomorrow that returns us Byzantium players to banging our heads against the wall and restarting every two minutes.

 

[CroatianEmperor]

Random games are called Civilisation series, not EUx

Perfect historical simulators are called books.