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As a muslim country, I got the female heir, then I got 'The Princess is in this Castle' achievement :D
Isn't muslim (future) leader supposed to be male? How often do this happens to muslim countries (in-game & IRL)?
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I got one as Persia, its rare but it is possible and did happen in history... That said they had a habit of getting killed by nobles unhapppy about being ruled by a woman if my searchings on the internet are right....
 

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Every single country has a couple of female names now who CAN become heir.

Their probabilities are usually 1, which usually means a less than 1% chance of getting a female heir.

So yeah, it's rare, but it can happen to any country. Some, such as England etc naturally have a much higher chance.
 

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There were quite a few regents but I believe the number of female Muslim formal national rulers prior to the second half of the 20th century was precisely zero.
 
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There were quite a few regents but I believe the number of female Muslim formal national rulers prior to the second half of the 20th century was precisely zero.

very quick glance at Wikipedia on Sultana.

Razia Sultana ruled Delhi from 1236-1240, and got the throne from being appointed Successor
Taj Ul-Alam ruled Aceh from the death of her husband in 1641 to 1675, and was succeeded by 3 other females, and Aceh was under Female rule to 1699 when the Mufti of Mecca pressured them into placing the last one's husband on the throne

you must have another diffenition of 0% than the mathematical correct one.

Also. Pattani (Malaysia) Is ruled by a number of successive Female Rulers from 1584-1688
 
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Historically it was uncommon because of the link between the ruling of the nation and the leadership of the religion. But, women did rise to power positions throughout the Muslim world, it wasn't as anti-women as Christian nations were usually.
 
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yeah, Female rulers in Muslim countries was no rarer than female rulers in Christian countries (if not happening more often, if counting de facto rulership through Regency)... they're just less profilic in Western historical consiousness
 
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you must have another diffenition of 0% than the mathematical correct one.

Why would you say that? I am well qualified in mathematics. That is a childish thing to say.
 
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It's not that historically accurate; outside of Christian Europe there were incredibly few instances of a woman ever ruling in her own right (which is why ones who did, like Wu Zetain, are so recognizable because they're a radical departure from the norm. In essence, the exception that proves the rule.), but every culture has female names and a chance to generate them upon heir creation, so the Ottomans having a female heir, as rare as it is, is bound to happen from a statistical standpoint.
 
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Maybe you should say phrases like "precisely zero" to avoid such remarks, just saying. ;)

I may have been mistaken about the number of female Muslim rulers, but he claimed that I did not know what 0% meant. That is something quite different.
 
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After some digging It looks like the total is one in Delhi, a handful in Aceh, and one in Egypt (Shajarat ad-Durr). Aceh seems exceptional.
 

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That said they had a habit of getting killed by nobles unhapppy about being ruled by a woman if my searchings on the internet are right....
- they also roasted and ate their corpses after this womencide.:rolleyes:

Historically it was uncommon because of the link between the ruling of the nation and the leadership of the religion. But, women did rise to power positions throughout the Muslim world, it wasn't as anti-women as Christian nations were usually.
- yeah... Muslim world - few female regent-rulers. Christian world - hundreds of actual female rulers... But it is christian world that is anti-women :D

Internet feminist SJW logic in its best.:p
 
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- yeah... Muslim world - few female regent-rulers. Christian world - hundreds of actual female rulers...

I'd like some solid citations on that one ... from what i can gather then there wasn't any large disperency between the number of both regent (De Facto) and actual (and/or De Jure) female rulers ... many of the Muslim Females rulers just fall under either being vassals of a higher ranked king (dependent duchies) and/or being unknown in general layman history knowledge in the western world, or prehaps more properly stated, theres a certain mythical quality over the Female Christian rulers so there seem to me many more than they quntitatively qualify for, specially if you ignore England/Great Britain which is quite exceptional on this account.
 
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Christian monarchies didn't practice polygamy, which enabled female heirs to become viable candidates. Most monarchies outside of Europe widely practiced polygamy and concubinage, which gave them an ample supply of male heirs to choose from. Women rarely entered consideration as a result. European societies weren't much better toward women, but some kings swallowed their misogyny to preserve their lineage. Likewise, many otherwise opposed nobles would have accepted female heirs, rather than living with the risk of a power struggle for the throne between numerous claimants and the chaos which would ensue. Most Christians, just like Muslims, would probably have considered it decadent and sacrilegious for a woman to rule over men, but even then people had their practical side.
 
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- they also roasted and ate their corpses after this womencide.:rolleyes:

- yeah... Muslim world - few female regent-rulers. Christian world - hundreds of actual female rulers... But it is christian world that is anti-women :D

Internet feminist SJW logic in its best.:p

Actually, if you look back through to the dawn of the Muslim faith, then you will find that their stance towards females in power has been pretty consistent up until recent extremism. However, for many centuries, Christian nations didn't give women any rights, let alone the chance to govern a nation. If you specifically look at the EU4 time frame, sure, women rulers are fairly common in the Christian nations compared to the Muslim nations, but before that, they were almost non-existent.

This isn't SJW, this is history. If you believe women have been equal since the birth of Christ, then you might want to re-read the history books.
 
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There is a prevalence of female rulers when there is a lack of decent male candidates. In the eu4 time period there were more women heads of state in the Christian world (total and percent) than there were in the Muslim world. Want to venture a guess as to how many women were elected to that position in a republic? It seems rather clear that the succession laws and importance of dynasty over all else, NOT views about women, were what led to the high number of Christian monarchs in the game's time period compared to elsewhere. The USA has had a whopping zero, for instance.

I would absolutely love if there is a direct correlation between women leaders and women's rights, for someone to link me it. I'd be happy to have my last paragraph proven wrong.
 
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