Ottomans 1419 - 1520

unmerged(40707) · Nov 19, 2007

Doesn't "too much" mean "to be removed"?

There is a problem of balance: a huge advantage being shiite + orthodox group and avoiding problems with Safavids. Is this action only realistic for OE?

I tend to agree removal can't be a bad thing.

Bordic · Nov 19, 2007

YodaMaster said:
Doesn't "too much" mean "to be removed"?

There is a problem of balance: a huge advantage being shiite + orthodox group and avoiding problems with Safavids. Is this action only realistic for OE?

Imo this action is irrealistic for OE or any other country except Persia, but I don't know history of religions such as Shiite so I cannot know about alternative path as, for example, England going catholic can be.

ConjurerDragon · Nov 19, 2007

YodaMaster said:
Doesn't "too much" mean "to be removed"?

There is a problem of balance: a huge advantage being shiite + orthodox group and avoiding problems with Safavids. Is this action only realistic for OE?

I tend to agree removal can't be a bad thing.

If it would stay the penalties ought to be really bad - after all becoming shiite should counter all effects that becoming Khalifa had before and drop relations with every existing sunni country.

Garbon · Nov 19, 2007

I agree that option C is poorly thought out. I think it is one of those jump off points for a fantasy sequence with more ramifications, (I'm not sure that +5 revolts risk for 180 is the best way to represent that) and as such sort a stub choice that needed fleshing out one day.

Bordic · Nov 20, 2007

ConjurerDragon said:
In my current game as Austria I was eagerly waiting for the events to trigger that gave me Bohemia and Hungary and in 1520 I was surprised:

22.09.1520 Ottomans had Mamluk uprising
23.09.1520 Suleyman rises to the throne
23.09.1520 Ottomans had conquests of Sul. the Lawgiver
27.09.1520 Suleyman demands the keys of Hungary.
27.09.1520 Hungary went with delay the ambassador
27.09.1520 Ottomans had Lajos insults Sul.
20.10.1520 Ottoman Empire had Lajos submits and the same day Hungary breaks all royal marriages and becomes a vassal of the Ottomans

A *month* later Lajos submits to Suleyman and Hungary becomes a vassal of the Ottomans...

That is not the ahistorical B choice. In that case Lajos would have submitted at once. But if Lajos insults suleyman then the next event should be the invasion of Hungary in which Lajos can either fight or submit - but only in 1526, not a month later.

Could there be an error in the TUR-HUN event sequence?

I even reloaded a savegame a month earlier and yet again the same choice of events.

Just a guess: Can it be that first event 19009 fired and HUN took a (Lajos insults) and then 188009 fired and HUN took b (Lajos submits)? Does the monarch trigger not work?
Should 19009 and 188009 sleep each other?

No, because in this way Janos II would submit and not Lajos as you previously posted.

I modified the sequence but I can't find a solution as for now...

AFAIK TUR_19011 fires only if HUN_19009 b is chosen, so not "messengers are delayed" but "we must submit".

We could try to postpone the startdate of TUR_19011 from 22 to 23 September 1520...

Bordic · Nov 20, 2007

But HUN_19009 A already sleeps TUR_19011, that is why I told you that 19011 shouldn't occur when historical path is followed and in case of HUN_19013 an ahistorical action B wouldn't trigger TUR_19011 as this one is already made asleep!

What I cannot understand is why 19009 A isn't able to sleep 19011 in time for this latter to happen.

EDIT: it seems we need a duplicate for TUR_19011 to be fired with HUN_19013 B. As it is now 19011 is already slept if TUR_19010 has fired.
Or a better solution would be to simply remove the triggervent line from 19013 B.

Bordic · Nov 20, 2007

A first attempt to find a solution to the sequence and substitution of 19011 with a new TUR event, which will follow an alternative path in case Lajos firstly insults Suleyman (historical path) but avoids fighting at Mohacs.

I have also covered Janos' path which ends without Mohacs, so no events between TUR and HUN until his death in 1540.

I have added some breakvassal lines in action B of both HUN "Suleyman Demands Our Submission" events, as to make a vassalization easier for the Ottomans:

The change of startdate is just to be sure that theese events start testing 19009 or 188009 after they eventually fired. But I don't know if it is really needed...

##########
KING LAJOS
##########

Code:

#(1520-1526) Suleyman demands the Submission of Hungary
event = {
	id = 19009 #triggered by TUR_19008 A
	trigger = {
		NOT = { monarch = 061017 } #János II Zápolya (Janos Corvinus prevailed)
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19009" #Suleyman Demands Our Submission
	desc = "EVENTHIST19009"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19009A" #Delay the ambassador, we must find allies
		command = { type = breakvassal which = POL } #you never know...
		command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = TUR }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -100 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 19011 } #TUR: Lajos submits to Suleyman
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 301067 } #TUR: János II submits to Suleyman
		command = { type = trigger which = 19010 } #TUR: Lajos insults Suleyman
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19009B" #We must submit
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = breakvassal which = POL } 
		command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }[/COLOR]
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = removecore which = 355 } #Serbia
		command = { type = removecore which = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = removecore which = 365 } #Dalmatia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia[/COLOR]
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 301067 } #TUR: János II submits to Suleyman
	}
}

#-#In 1520, Suleyman I demanded an extension of the peace between Constantinople and Buda, with the additional terms that young King Lajos submit to the authority of the Sultan and reject the right of the Habsburgs to inherit Hungary. Lajos was also warned by Pope Leo X not to make peace with the Turk. Lajos detained Suleyman's ambassador while frantically seeking help around Europe. Due to his wars with France, however, his brother-in-law, Emperor Charles V of Spain, advised him to agree to Suleyman's demands. His other brother-in-law, Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, promised him aid, but was in no position to grant it. Lajos' only other possible ally, Poland, was under attack by the Crimean Tatars. Lajos faced Suleyman alone.

Code:

#(1520-1526) Lajos Submits to the Great Suleyman
event = {
	id = 19011 #also triggered by HUN_19013 B
	trigger = {
		event = 19009 #HUN: Suleyman Demands Our Submission
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19011" #Lajos submits to Suleyman
	desc = "EVENTHIST19011"
	#-#

	date = { day = [COLOR=Red]22[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]23[/COLOR] month = September year = 1520 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 22 month = August year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "EXCELLENT"
		command = { type = vassal which = HUN }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 50 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 24 }
	}
}

#-#When King Lajos agreed to Suleyman's terms, it seemed that Hungary would be secure, if somewhat poorer and no longer quite independent. Suleyman was now free to deal with the growing threat of the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean. Lajos' act of statesmanship, however, was to prove his undoing.

##########
KING JANOS
##########

Code:

#(1520-1526) Suleyman demands the Submission of Hungary - Ahistorical
event = {
	id = 188009 #triggered by TUR_19008 A
	trigger = { monarch = 061017 } #János II Zápolya (Janos Corvinus failed)
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19009" #Suleyman Demands Our Submission
	desc = "EVENTHIST188009"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19009A" #Delay the ambassador, we must find allies
		command = { type = breakvassal which = POL } #you never know...
		command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = TUR }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -100 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 19011 } #TUR: Lajos submits to Suleyman
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 301067 } #TUR: János II submits to Suleyman
		command = { type = trigger which = 301066 } #TUR: János II insults Suleyman
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19009B" #We must submit
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = breakvassal which = POL } 
		command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }[/COLOR]
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = removecore which = 355 } #Serbia
		command = { type = removecore which = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = removecore which = 365 } #Dalmatia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia[/COLOR]
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 19011 } #TUR: Lajos submits to Suleyman
	}
}

#-#In 1520, Suleyman I demanded an extension of the peace between Constantinople and Buda, with the additional terms that János II Zápolya submit to the authority of the Sultan and reject the right of the Habsburgs to inherit Hungary. János II was also warned by Pope Leo X not to make peace with the Turk. János II detained Suleyman's ambassador while frantically seeking help around Europe. Finding no ally able to grant a good military support in his fight against the Turk, János II had to face Suleyman alone.

Code:

#(1520-1526) János II Submits to the Great Suleyman - Ahistorical
event = {
	id = 301067
	trigger = {
		event = 188009 #HUN: Suleyman Demands Our Submission (Janos II ruling)
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301067" #János II submits to Suleyman
	desc = "EVENTHIST301067"
	#-#

	date = { day = [COLOR=Red]22[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]23[/COLOR] month = September year = 1520 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 22 month = August year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "EXCELLENT"
		command = { type = vassal which = HUN }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 50 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 24 }
	}
}

#-#When King János II agreed to Suleyman's terms, it seemed that Hungary would be secure, if somewhat poorer and no longer quite independent. Suleyman was now free to deal with the growing threat of the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean. János II' act of statesmanship, however, was to prove his undoing.

#############
BEFORE MOHACS
#############

Code:

#(1526) The Invasion of Hungary
event = {
	id = 19013
	trigger = {
		event = 19010 #TUR: Lajos insults Suleyman
		NOT = {
			vassal = { country = HUN country = TUR }
			vassal = { country = HUN country = HAB }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19013" #The Turks Approach!
	desc = "EVENTHIST19013"
	#-#

	date = { day = 23 month = august year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19013A" #We will fight them!
		command = { type = trigger which = 19014 } #HUN: The Battle of Mohacs
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19013B" #We cannot hope to prevail
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = breakvassal which = POL } 
		command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }[/COLOR]
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = CAS value = -50 } #In case Spain never formed
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = removecore which = 355 } #Serbia
		command = { type = removecore which = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = removecore which = 365 } #Dalmatia[/COLOR]
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia
		[COLOR=Red]command = { type = trigger which = 19011 } #TUR: Lajos submits to Suleyman[/COLOR]
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = trigger which = 301124 } #TUR: Lajos eventually submits to Suleyman[/COLOR]
	}
}

#-#After seizing Belgrade and several other key forts guarding Hungary, Suleyman gave Lajos one last chance to see reason. An uprising in Egypt gave Lajos another year of breathing space, but he was still unable to find support in Europe. With the Sultan at the head of an 80,000 man army, Lajos prepared to face him with only 30,000 men.

A new TUR event to deal with 19013 B:

Code:

#(1526) Lajos Submits to the Great Suleyman
event = {
	id = 301124 
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301124" #Lajos eventually submits to Suleyman
	desc = "EVENTHIST301124"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "EXCELLENT"
		command = { type = vassal which = HUN }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 50 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 24 }
	}
}

EVENTNAME301124;Lajos eventually submits to Suleyman;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST301124;At the end King Lajos agreed to Suleyman's terms and it seemed that Hungary would be secure, if somewhat poorer and no longer quite independent. Suleyman was now free to deal with the growing threat of the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean. Lajos' act of statesmanship, however, was to prove his undoing.;;;;;;;;;;

and a tweak here:

Code:

#(1526) The Assassination of Lajos II - Ahistorical - Lajos II submitted to the Sultan
event = {
	id = 19015
	trigger = {
		[COLOR=Yellow]OR = {[/COLOR]
			event = 19011 #[COLOR=Red]HUN[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]TUR[/COLOR]: Lajos submits to Suleyman
			[COLOR=Yellow]event = 301124 #TUR: Lajos eventually submits to Suleyman
		}[/COLOR]
		NOT = { #just for safety as HUN should be TUR vassal
			vassal = { country = HUN country = TUR }
			vassal = { country = HUN country = HAB }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19015" #The Assassination of Lajos II
	desc = "EVENTHIST19015"
	#-#

	date = { day = 24 month = August year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19015A" #Down with the King!
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 19017 } #HUN: Electing a New King
		command = { type = trigger which = 3642 } #Election of the King of Bohemia #BOH: The Death of King Lajos of Bohemia
	}
}

#-#The nobles of Hungary were growing increasingly dissatisfied with the leadership of the boy-king. His failure to join the League of Cambrai against Venice and take back Dalmatia was not well-received. Submitting to be the vassal of the heathen Turks was the last straw. On August, 22, 1526, King Lajos of Hungary and Bohemia was assassinated by a conspiracy of nobles.

What about?

EDIT: updated events as per post #764

Bordic · Nov 20, 2007

ConjurerDragon said:
Were the sleepevents added in the beta versions?
Because my HUN 19009 has no sleepevents in it which would be the reason that this was possible.

I can't remember when but now I am testing 155 beta5 and they are there. Need to read compiling 1.55 under bugfixes in case...

Bordic · Nov 20, 2007

Some more changes in the sequence of Suleyman and Hungary+Austria:

As to avoid any further confusion to this already very complicated sequence I suggest some changes in text and references to HUN_19018 and HAB_3186 both in related events and text.csv entries:

Code:

#(1526) The Battle of Mohacs, pt II
event = {
	id = 19016 #triggered by HUN_19014
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19016" #Electing a New King
	desc = "EVENTHIST19016"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016A" #Elect János Zápolya of Transylvania
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 351 } #Austria
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 350 } #Salzburg
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 369 } #Steiermark
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 327 } #Ostmarch
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 150 }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = POL }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }
		command = { type = alliance which = TUR }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 3185 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 3186 } #HAB: [COLOR=Red]The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The Turk is expanding in Hungary[/COLOR]
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3639B" #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria
		command = { type = breakvassal which = POL } #you never know...
		command = { type = breakvassal which = TUR }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }
		command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
		command = { type = alliance which = HAB }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 362 } #Ragusa
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 365 } #Dalmatia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
	}
}

#-#With Hungary defeated, Suleyman ordered the nobility of Hungary to chose whomever they wished for king, so long as he was not a Habsburg. Most of the nobles voted for János Zápolya of Transylvania, as he had the only army in Hungary. Led by the nobility of Croatia, however, many nobles argued for Ferdinand of Austria, despite the Sultan's orders, saying that only he could protect them from Suleyman.

Code:

#(1526) Electing a New King
event = {
	id = 19017 #triggered by HUN_19015
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19016" #Electing a New King
	desc = "EVENTHIST19017"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016A" #Elect János Zápolya of Transylvania
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 150 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 351 } #Austria
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 350 } #Salzburg
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 369 } #Steiermark
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 327 } #Ostmarch
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 179131 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 3186 } #HAB: [COLOR=Red]The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The Turk is expanding in Hungary[/COLOR]
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016B" #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria
		command = { type = alliance which = HAB }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
	}
}

#-#With Lajos II dead, Suleyman ordered the nobility of Hungary to chose whomever they wished to be king, so long as he was not a Habsburg. Most of the nobles voted for János Zápolya of Transylvania. Led by the nobility of Croatia, however, any nobles argued for Ferdinand of Austria, despite the Sultan's orders, saying that only he could protect them from Suleyman.

Code:

#(1526) The Death of King Lajos of Hungary - Ahistorical - No Turkish vassal, no Battle of Mohacs
event = {
	id = 19025
	trigger = {
		exists = HAB
		NOT = {
			event = 19013 #HUN: The Turks Approach! (the battle of Mohacs)
			event = 19015 #HUN: The Assassination of Lajos II (Lajos II submitted to the Sultan)
		}
		monarch = 061015 #Lajos II
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19025" #The Death of King Lajos of Hungary
	desc = "EVENTHIST19025"
	#-#

	date = { day = 26 month = August year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016A" #Elect János Zápolya of Transylvania
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 72 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 48 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 36 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 12 value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = POL value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 150 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 179133 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 179132 } #HAB: The Death of King Lajos of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 3732 } #SIE: The Zapolya Inheritance of Hungary
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016B" #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria
		command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
		command = { type = alliance which = HAB }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 36 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 12 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 3732 } #SIE: The Zapolya Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
	}
}

#-#Lajos II (Louis), king of Hungary, Bohemia, and Croatia, was the last of the Jagiello dynasty in the two kingdoms. While riding with his companions on a hunting trip, King Lajos fell off his horse after it was suddenly startled, causing him to break his neck. Lajos left no direct heir. The Diet, Hungary's Parliament, convened to decide who would be the dead king's successor. Two factions formed around the candidates who were most likely to succeed him. The first was Louis's brother-in-law, Ferdinand of Habsburg, and the other was János Zápolya of Transylvania. Ferdinand's claim was supported by Spain, Bohemia, England and the Papacy, while France, the Ottoman Empire, and Poland backed Zápolya. The Diet voted to give Zápolya the crowns of Hungary and Croatia. Ferdinand lauched a lightning campaign against the disorganized kingdom, and managed to secure a portion of it for himself.

Code:

#(1540) The Death of János Zápolya -II-
event = {
	id = 19024
	trigger = {
		NOT = {
			vassal = { country = TUR country = HUN }
			vassal = { country = HAB country = HUN }
		}
		exists = HAB
		NOT = { event = 19020 } #HUN: The Death of János Zápolya
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19019" #The Death of János Zápolya
	desc = "EVENTHIST19024"
	#-#

	date = { day = 22 month = july year = 1540 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016A" #Elect János Zápolya of Transylvania
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 72 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 48 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 36 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 12 value = 1 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 179136 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 19026 } #HAB: The Death of János Zápolya
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016B" #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria
		command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
		command = { type = alliance which = HAB }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 36 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 12 value = 1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
	}
}

#-#Zápolya's reign was contested from the very beginning. In 1538, Zápolya had secretly promised Ferdinand of Austria the Hungarian crown in order to buy peace. In 1540, while putting down a revolt in Transylvania, János died from illness, just three weeks after his Polish princess-bride had given him a son, János Sigusmund. With Zapolya's death, Ferdinand again invaded Hungary to try to claim his inheritance.

Code:

#(1526-1820) Hungary is Mine!
event = {
	id = 19027
	trigger = {
		vassal = { country = HAB country = HUN }
		NOT = {
			event = 3185 #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary (after Mohacs)
			event = 179131 #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary (HUN as Turkish vassal)
			event = 179132 #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary (none of them)
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = HAB
	name = "EVENTNAME19027" #The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
	desc = "EVENTHIST19027"
	#-#

	date = { day = 22 month = august year = 1526 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "EXCELLENT"
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
	}
}

#-#The marriage contract that Lajos II's father, Ulászló II arranged with the Habsburgs promised Hungary and Bohemia to the Habsburgs if Lajos should die without an heir. On August 22, 1526, Lajos was killed with no heir. The Hungarian nobility, however, chose János Zápolya instead. Ultimately, however, the Habsburgs were able to collect their inheritance.

Code:

#(1526 or 1540) The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
event = {
	id = 19018 #triggered by HUN_19016 B / HUN_19017 B / HUN_19024 B / HUN_19025 B
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19018" #The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
	desc = "EVENTHIST19018"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19018A" #The Habsburg rulers of Hungary
		command = { type = breakvassal which = POL } #you never know...
		command = { type = breakvassal which = TUR }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }
		command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061035 } #Ferdinand I
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061036 } #Maksimillian I
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061037 } #Rudolf I
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061038 } #Mátyás II
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061039 } #Ferdinand II
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061040 } #Ferdinand III
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061041 } #Lipót I
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061042 } #József I
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061043 } #Karol VI
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061044 } #Mária Terézia
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061045 } #József II
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061046 } #Lipót II
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061047 } #Ferenc I
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061017 } #János II Zápolya (could be woken up)
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061018 } #János III Zápolya (could be woken up)
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061019 } #János I Zápolya
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061020 } #János II Zápolya
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061021 } #István Báthory
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061022 } #Christofer Báthory
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061023 } #Sigismund Báthory
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061024 } #Mihai Viteazul
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061025 } #Interregnum
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061026 } #István Bocskai
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061027 } #Gábor Báthory
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061028 } #Gábor Bethlen
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061029 } #György I Rákóczy
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061030 } #György II Rákóczy
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061031 } #Ferenc I Rákóczy
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061032 } #Ferenc II Rákóczy
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061033 } #Ferenc III Rákóczy *
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061034 } #György III Rákóczy *
	}
}

#-#The Hungary nobility was able to keep Hungary from being absorbed into the Austria state for almost 170 years. The Habsburgs were forced to rule Hungary as a seperate state until the early 18th Century.

Bordic · Nov 20, 2007

Still changes...
...of course modifications in event- hist- and actionnames are modifications to text.csv!

Here I would like to modify some eventnames as they are now they are very much confusing expecially between HAB and TUR events which have same references but different actions:

Code:

#(1526) [COLOR=Red]The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary - Zapolya[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The Turk is expanding in Hungary
#(Lajos' death at Mohacs in 19013 A or Lajos' assassination by nobles
# if at least one of the ahistorical submissions took place with 19009 B or 19013 B)[/COLOR] 
event = {
	id = 3186 #triggered by HUN_19016 A / HUN_19017 A
	random = no
	country = HAB
	name = "EVENTNAME3186" #[COLOR=Red]The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The Turk is expanding in Hungary[/COLOR]
	desc = "EVENTHIST3186"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3186A" #No! It is mine!
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -150 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 316 } #Carpathia
		command = { type = addcore which = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = addcore which = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = addcore which = 324 } #Maros
		command = { type = addcore which = 325 } #Magyar
		command = { type = addcore which = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 353 } #Pest
		command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = addcore which = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = add_countryculture which = slovak }
		command = { type = trigger which = 19022 } #TUR: [COLOR=Red]The Turks Respond[/COLOR][COLOR=Yellow]A foothold in Hungary[/COLOR]
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3186B" #Let him have it
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 50 }
	}
}

#-#Lajos II (Louis), 1506-26, king of Hungary and Bohemia (1516-26), son and successor of Uladislaus II. He was the last of the Jagiello dynasty in the two kingdoms. In the face of intensified attacks by Sultan Sulayman I, Lajos hastily sought (1526) to unite Hungary and Christendom behind him, but only the pope sent help. With a pitiful army, Lajos joined battle with the Ottomans at Mohács. The Hungarian army was destroyed, and Lajos was killed. Only the ambitious John Zapolya had failed to arrive in time for the battle with the army he was bringing from Transylvania. Through the marriage treaty concluded by Lajos father the crowns of Hungary and Bohemia passed to Louis's brother-in-law, Ferdinand of Habsburg (later Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I), but Hungary fell under Ottoman rule.

Code:

#(1526) [COLOR=Red]To Vienna![/COLOR][COLOR=Yellow]A foothold in Hungary[/COLOR]
event = {
	id = 19022 #triggered by HAB_3186 A
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19022" #[COLOR=Red]The Turks Respond[/COLOR][COLOR=Yellow]A foothold in Hungary[/COLOR]
	desc = "EVENTHIST19022"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19023A" #We will defend our interests
		command = { type = vassal which = HUN }
		command = { type = stability value = 5 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 301087 } #TUR: [COLOR=Red]We will defend our interests[/COLOR][COLOR=Yellow]To Vienna![/COLOR]
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19023B" #Let that infidel Ferdinand have Hungary so we can expand elsewhere
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 100 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 3 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 179028 } #HAB: Hungary is mine
	}
}

#-#When Ferdinand attempted to uphold his claims in the Balkans by force, Suleyman felt that he had no choice but to respond in the same vein, lest Ferdinand expand his domain right up to the Sultan's border.

Code:

#(1526) [COLOR=Red]We will defend our interests[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]To Vienna![/COLOR]
event = {
	id = 301087 #triggered by TUR_19022 A
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301087" #[COLOR=Red]We will defend our interests[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]To Vienna![/COLOR]
	desc = "EVENTHIST301087"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME301087A" #[COLOR=Red]Go to war with[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]Let's protect[/COLOR] Hungary
		command = { type = alliance which = HUN } #in order HUN not to be alone versus HAB later
		command = { type = war which = HAB }
		command = { type = trigger which = 179028 } #HAB: Hungary is mine
	}
}

#-#The policy that was intended to secure the Ottoman Empire against the Habsburg threat had instead plunged the two empires into war.

Code:

#(1526) Hungary is mine
event = {
	id = 179028 #triggered by TUR_19022 B [COLOR=Yellow]or TUR_301087[/COLOR]
	trigger = {
		NOT = { war = { country = HAB country = HUN } }
	}
	random = no
	country = HAB
	name = "EVENTNAME179028" #Hungary is mine
	desc = "EVENTHIST179028"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME179028A" #Hungary is mine!
		command = { type = war which = HUN }
	}
}

#-#Hungary fell under Ottoman rule. We have no choice but taking it by force...

************

And here the alternative path with Hungary acknowledging Austrian rule:

Code:

#(1526) The recovery of Hungary
event = {
	id = 179130 #triggered by HAB_3185 / HAB_179131
	random = no
	country = HAB
	name = "EVENTNAME179130" #The recovery of Hungary
	desc = "EVENTHIST179130"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "OK"
		command = { type = alliance which = HUN } #in order for HUN not to be alone versus TUR later
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -200 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 19023 } #TUR: [COLOR=Red]The Turks Respond[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The invasion of Hungary[/COLOR]
	}
}

#-#Through the marriage treaty concluded by Lajos father the crowns of Hungary and Bohemia passed to Louis's brother-in-law, Ferdinand of Habsburg (later Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I), but Hungary fell under Ottoman rule.

Code:

#(1540) The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary - Habsburgs kings -III-
event = {
	id = 179136
	trigger = {
		event = 19024 #HUN: The Death of János Zápolya (HUN seemingly independent)
		event = 19018 #HUN: The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
	}
	random = no
	country = HAB
	name = "EVENTNAME3185" #The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
	desc = "EVENTHIST19024"
	#-#

	date = { day = 23 month = july year = 1540 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3185A" #I will be crowned King of Hungary
		command = { type = addcore which = 316 } #Carpathia
		command = { type = addcore which = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = addcore which = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = addcore which = 324 } #Maros
		command = { type = addcore which = 325 } #Magyar
		command = { type = addcore which = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 353 } #Pest
		command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = addcore which = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = vassal which = HUN }
		command = { type = alliance which = HUN }
		command = { type = add_countryculture which = magyar }
		command = { type = add_countryculture which = slovak }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 150 }
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 19023 } #TUR: [COLOR=Red]The Turks Respond[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The invasion of Hungary[/COLOR]
	}
}

#-#Zápolya's reign was contested from the very beginning. In 1538, Zápolya had secretly promised Ferdinand of Austria the Hungarian crown in order to buy peace. In 1540, while putting down a revolt in Transylvania, János died from illness, just three weeks after his Polish princess-bride had given him a son, János Sigusmund. With Zapolya's death, Ferdinand again invaded Hungary to try to claim his inheritance.

Code:

#(1526 or 1540) [COLOR=Red]To Buda![/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The invasion of Hungary[/COLOR]
event = {
	id = 19023 #triggered by HAB_179130 or [COLOR=Red]HAB_179135 /[/COLOR] HAB_179136
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME1902[COLOR=Yellow]3[/COLOR]" #[COLOR=Red]The Turks Respond[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The invasion of Hungary[/COLOR]
	desc = "EVENTHIST19023"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19023A" #We will defend our interests
		command = { type = war which = HAB }
		command = { type = war which = HUN }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19023B" #Let that infidel Ferdinand have Hungary so we can expand elsewhere
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 100 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 3 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
	}
}

#-#When Ferdinand attempted to uphold his claims in the Balkans by force, Suleyman felt that he had no choice but to respond in the same vein, lest Ferdinand expand his domain right up to the Sultan's border. The policy that was intended to secure the Ottoman Empire against the Habsburg threat had instead plunged the two empires into war.

the new entry:
EVENTNAME19023;The invasion of Hungary;;;;;;;;;;

*************

Further references to 3186:

Code:

#(1540) The Death of János Zápolya
event = {
	id = 19019
	trigger = {
		exists = HAB
		exists = HUN
		NOT = { exists = SIE }
		OR = {
			event = 19016 #HUN: Electing a New King (The Battle of Mohacs, pt II)
			event = 19017 #HUN: Electing a New King (Lajos submitted to the Sultan)
			event = 301067 #TUR: János II submits to Suleyman (ahistorical, no Lajos II Jagiellon)
		}
		event = 3186 #HAB: [COLOR=Red]The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary (Janos Zapolya elected) [/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The Turk is expanding in Hungary[/COLOR] 
		vassal = { country = TUR country = HUN } #HUN should have become both TUR vassal and ally
		OR = {
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 323 data = HUN } #Transylvania
				control = { province = 323 data = HUN }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 323 data = -1 }
				control = { province = 323 data = -1 }
			}
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19019" #The Death of János Zápolya
	desc = "EVENTHIST19019"
	#-#

	date = { day = 21 month = july year = 1540 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19019A" #Split the Kingdom
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HUN value = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HUN value = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HUN value = 324 } #Maros
		command = { type = trigger which = 19020 } #HUN: The Death of János Zápolya
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 179134 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19019B" #Support János Sigusmund
		command = { type = alliance which = HUN }
		command = { }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 179134 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19019C" #Let Ferdinand have it!
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
	}
}

#-#Zápolya's reign was contested from the very beginning. In 1538, Zápolya had secretly promised Ferdinand of Austria the Hungarian crown in order to buy peace. In 1540, while putting down a revolt in Transylvania, János died from illness, just three weeks after his Polish princess-bride had given him a son, János Sigusmund. With Zapolya's death, Ferdinand again invaded Hungary to try to claim his inheritence. Finally the Ottoman Sultan, having had enough with the chaos in his vassal, Hungary, split the country into three parts. He kept Southern and Central Hungary for himself, giving Eastern Hungary to János Sigusmund, while Ferdinand held the Western portion. Hungary would remain divided between the three countries for the next 170 years.

Code:

#(1540) The Death of János Zápolya
event = {
	id = 19021
	trigger = {
		exists = HAB
		exists = HUN
		vassal = { country = TUR country = HUN }
		OR = {
			event = 19016 #HUN: Electing a New King (The Battle of Mohacs, pt II)
			event = 19017 #HUN: Electing a New King (Lajos submitted to the Sultan)
			event = 301067 #TUR: János II submits to Suleyman (ahistorical, no Lajos II Jagiellon)
		}
		event = 3186 #HAB: [COLOR=Red]The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The Turk is expanding in Hungary[/COLOR]
		NOT = { event = 19019 } #TUR: The Death of János Zápolya
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19019" #The Death of János Zápolya
	desc = "EVENTHIST19021"
	#-#

	date = { day = 22 month = july year = 1540 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19019A" #Split the Kingdom
		command = { type = inherit which = HUN }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 179135 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 301068 } #TUR: The partition of Hungary
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19019C" #Let Ferdinand have it!
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule [COLOR=Yellow]in[/COLOR] Hungary
	}
}

#-#Zápolya's reign was contested from the very beginning. In 1538, Zápolya had secretly promised Ferdinand of Austria the Hungarian crown in order to buy peace. In 1540, while putting down a revolt in Transylvania, János died from illness. With Zapolya's death, Ferdinand again invaded Hungary to try to claim his inheritence. Finally the Ottoman Sultan, having had enough with the chaos in his vassal, Hungary, split the country in two. He annexed Hungary, while Ferdinand held the Western portion.

EDIT: a last bugfix

Code:

#(1540) The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary - Habsburgs kings - II -
event = {
	id = 179135
	trigger = {
		event = 19021 #[COLOR=Red]HUN[/COLOR][COLOR=Yellow]TUR[/COLOR]: The Death of János Zápolya (HUN vassal to TUR, HUN no changing into SIE)
		event = 19018 #HUN: The Habsburg rule Hungary
	}
	random = no
	country = HAB
	name = "EVENTNAME3185" #The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
	desc = "EVENTHIST19021"
	#-#

	date = { day = 23 month = july year = 1540 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3185A" #I will be crowned King of Hungary
		command = { type = addcore which = 316 } #Carpathia
		command = { type = addcore which = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = addcore which = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = addcore which = 324 } #Maros
		command = { type = addcore which = 325 } #Magyar
		command = { type = addcore which = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 353 } #Pest
		command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = addcore which = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = vassal which = HUN }
		command = { type = alliance which = HUN }
		command = { type = add_countryculture which = magyar }
		command = { type = add_countryculture which = slovak }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 150 }
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
	}
}

#-#Zápolya's reign was contested from the very beginning. In 1538, Zápolya had secretly promised Ferdinand of Austria the Hungarian crown in order to buy peace. In 1540, while putting down a revolt in Transylvania, János died from illness. With Zapolya's death, Ferdinand again invaded Hungary to try to claim his inheritence. Finally the Ottoman Sultan, having had enough with the chaos in his vassal, Hungary, split the country in two. He annexed Hungary, while Ferdinand held the Western portion.

EDIT2: another reference to 3186

Code:

#(1687-1820) Diet of 1687
event = {
	id = 179047
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 353 data = -1 } #Pest
		event = 3186 #HAB: [COLOR=Red]The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]The Turk is expanding in Hungary[/COLOR]
	}
	random = no
	country = HAB
	name = "EVENTNAME179047" #The Diet of Buda
	desc = "EVENTHIST179047"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1687 }
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME179047A" #Achieve an agreement with the estates
		command = { type = add_countryculture which = magyar }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
	}
}

ConjurerDragon · Nov 20, 2007

Bordic said:
Still changes...

Wouldn´t it be better for the flow of wars that the Ottomans not get all that cores already in "Demanding the keys to Hungary" TUR 19008?

The need to conquer Hungary is explained in the event texts as the threat that the Habsburgs could unite Austria with the Crown of Hungary - threatening the Ottoman Empire.

But if Suleymans demands are met by Hungary, if Lajos submits and becomes a vassal then for the moment no wars against Hungary and Austria are needed and TUR could concentrate on it´s other cores.

The Hungarian cores could be added peacemeal in event
TUR 19010 (Lajos insults the sultan). The event text mentions that Suleyman thought that seizing a few key border forts would be enough. Here the core on the Banat of Temesvar could be added).
and
TUR 19022 "to Vienna!" the cores on Austrian provinces such as Vienna, Krain, Odenburg or Croatia
TUR 19023 "to Buda!" the cores on the rest of Hungary.

unmerged(40707) · Nov 21, 2007

ConjurerDragon said:
Were the sleepevents added in the beta versions?
Because my HUN 19009 has no sleepevents in it which would be the reason that this was possible.

Bordic said:
I can't remember when but now I am testing 155 beta5 and they are there. Need to read compiling 1.55 under bugfixes in case...

I wonder why I update a changelog in first post of Compiling thread.

@ConjurerDragon: it is recommended for modders to use last available beta.

Of course you will only find ids and references for bugfixes. I can't do it for submissions and proposals (not yet submitted or for tests) because of the time it would require.
Nothing is modified if not mentioned in changelog (at least if I don't forget...

o ). I even have a separate changelog for modified entries in text.csv for translaters of the mod.

unmerged(40707) · Nov 21, 2007

ConjurerDragon said:
Wouldn´t it be better for the flow of wars that the Ottomans not get all that cores already in "Demanding the keys to Hungary" TUR 19008?

The need to conquer Hungary is explained in the event texts as the threat that the Habsburgs could unite Austria with the Crown of Hungary - threatening the Ottoman Empire.

But if Suleymans demands are met by Hungary, if Lajos submits and becomes a vassal then for the moment no wars against Hungary and Austria are needed and TUR could concentrate on it´s other cores.

The Hungarian cores could be added peacemeal in event
TUR 19010 (Lajos insults the sultan). The event text mentions that Suleyman thought that seizing a few key border forts would be enough. Here the core on the Banat of Temesvar could be added).
and
TUR 19022 "to Vienna!" the cores on Austrian provinces such as Vienna, Krain, Odenburg or Croatia
TUR 19023 "to Buda!" the cores on the rest of Hungary.

Good idea.

Bordic · Nov 21, 2007

ConjurerDragon said:
Wouldn´t it be better for the flow of wars that the Ottomans not get all that cores already in "Demanding the keys to Hungary" TUR 19008?

The need to conquer Hungary is explained in the event texts as the threat that the Habsburgs could unite Austria with the Crown of Hungary - threatening the Ottoman Empire.

But if Suleymans demands are met by Hungary, if Lajos submits and becomes a vassal then for the moment no wars against Hungary and Austria are needed and TUR could concentrate on it´s other cores.

The Hungarian cores could be added peacemeal in event
TUR 19010 (Lajos insults the sultan). The event text mentions that Suleyman thought that seizing a few key border forts would be enough. Here the core on the Banat of Temesvar could be added).
and
TUR 19022 "to Vienna!" the cores on Austrian provinces such as Vienna, Krain, Odenburg or Croatia
TUR 19023 "to Buda!" the cores on the rest of Hungary.

Partly agree, but TUR_19022 and TUR_19023 are alternative paths: 19022 fires if HAB_3186 is triggered (ie HUN submit to TUR) while 19023 fires if HAB_3185 or HAB_179131 have fired (ie HUN submits to HAB).

Cores could be however added after 19008 but I don't know when and how...

ConjurerDragon · Nov 21, 2007

Bordic said:
Partly agree, but TUR_19022 and TUR_19023 are alternative paths: 19022 fires if HAB_3186 is triggered (ie HUN submit to TUR) while 19023 fires if HAB_3185 or HAB_179131 have fired (ie HUN submits to HAB).

Cores could be however added after 19008 but I don't know when and how...

I would suggest to remove the cores from TUR 19008. The event text itself states that IF Lajos/Janos had submitted and agreed to the Ottomans demands (no Habsburg on Hungarys throne, vassal to TUR) then Suleyman would have seen no need to invade. So TUR needs no cores on Hungary AND Austria in this moment. And as the event speaks of if Austria gains the throne of Hungary it would be "within striking distance of constantinople itself" I would say that either Austria or Hungary must be neighbours of the Ottomans.

Code:

#(1520-1526) Suleyman demands the keys to Hungary
event = {
	id = 19008
	trigger = {
		exists = HAB #Austria must exist
                exists = HUN
                [color=yellow]OR = { neighbour = HAB
                          neighbour = HUN }
                countrysize = 6[/color]
		owned = { province = 357 data = -1 } #Thrace
		control = { province = 357 data = -1 }
		NOT = { owned = { province = 356 data = HUN } } #Bulgaria
		
		NOT = {
			vassal = { country = HUN country = TUR }
			vassal = { country = HUN country = HAB }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19008" #Suleyman demands the keys to Hungary
	desc = "EVENTHIST19008"
	#-#When Suleyman I became Sultan of the Ottoman Empire in 1520, he was faced with a grave crisis. The rise of the Habsburgs in Austria and Spain had created a superpower. Moreover, the Habsburgs had a potential claim to the Hungarian throne. Should the Habsburgs seize that throne, their armies would be within striking distance of Constantinople itself. In order to fend off this developing threat, Ottoman diplomats strove to strengthen relations with Venice and France. Hungary, however, must pay tribute to the Sultan, must grant the Ottoman troops transit rights through their country, and must renounce all ties with the Habsburgs. If they refused, war would surely follow.

	date = { day = 22 month = September year = 1520 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { day = 22 month = August year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19008A" #Send the messengers
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
		[color=red]command = { type = addcore which = 316 } #Carpathia
		command = { type = addcore which = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = addcore which = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = addcore which = 324 } #Maros
		command = { type = addcore which = 325 } #Magyar
		command = { type = addcore which = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 353 } #Pest
		command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = addcore which = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = addcore which = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Austria[/color]
		command = { type = trigger which = 19009 } #HUN: Suleyman Demands Our Submission
		command = { type = trigger which = 188009 } #HUN: Suleyman Demands Our Submission (Janos Corvinus prevailed)
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 301064 } #TUR: The Habsburgs' threat
	}
}

If after the demand of the "keys" Lajos or Janos do not submit (a choice) the Insult of Suleyman follows. In this event text the Ottomans are mentioned to expect a few seizures of key border forts enough to get Hungary reasonable. So I would add here only those cores on the border like the Banat of Temesvar.

Code:

#(1520-1526) Lajos Insults the Sultan
event = {
	id = 19010 #triggered by HUN_19009 A
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19010" #Lajos insults Suleyman
	desc = "EVENTHIST19010"
	#-#When King Lajos of Hungary refused to answer the Sultan's ambassador, the Ottoman Empire had no option but to go to war. It was thought that the seizure of a few key forts would be enough to bring the Hungarians to heel. But things would not be that simple.

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19010A" #Prepare for battle!
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -100 }
		[color=yellow]command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat[/color]
	}
}

#(1520-1526) János II Insults the Sultan - Ahistorical
event = {
	id = 301066 #triggered by HUN_188009 A
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301066" #János II insults Suleyman
	desc = "EVENTHIST301066"
	#-#When King János II of Hungary refused to answer the Sultan's ambassador, the Ottoman Empire had no option but to go to war. It was thought that the seizure of a few key forts would be enough to bring the Hungarians to heel. But things would not be that simple.

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19010A" #Prepare for battle!
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -100 }
                [color=yellow]command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat[/color]
	}
}

Edit: I remembered the thread about Trebizond in which the Ottomans need a certain size to get Trebizond. I think that to demand the keys to Hungary the Ottomans need at least the same minimum size.

Bordic · Nov 21, 2007

About cores, the problem here can be in case Ottoman Empire vassalizes Hungary, that is the HUN monarchs submitted to the Sultan. In this case when should TUR get those cores? In 1526 when "the Turks respond" (ie, to Vienna! and To Buda! events) or in 1540 when Zapolya dies?

Ottoman Empire needs historical cores in Europe sometime in the future and cores can also make the diplo-annexation easier for Ottoman Empire.

ConjurerDragon · Nov 21, 2007

Bordic said:
About cores, the problem here can be in case Ottoman Empire vassalizes Hungary, that is the HUN monarchs submitted to the Sultan. In this case when should TUR get those cores? In 1526 when "the Turks respond" (ie, to Vienna! and To Buda! events) or in 1540 when Zapolya dies?

Ottoman Empire needs historical cores in Europe sometime in the future and cores can also make the diplo-annexation easier for Ottoman Empire.

Diplo-annexation of a christian hungary by a sunni Ottoman Empire? That is possible?

If Lajos/alternatively Janos submit to Suleyman using the B choices of either event 19009/188009 or 19013 there will be at this time no Habsburg monarchs, Hungary will be an Ottoman vassal and the threat perceived is prevented. The Ottomans will need no cores on Austria and Hungary at this time because they have got what they wanted.

If Lajos/Janos insult Suleyman using the A choice then 19010 or 301066 will trigger. In both the borderland Banat of Temesvar should be added as core for the Ottomans which is approbiate for the description in the event text.

In HUN 19013 B (invasion of Hungary, Lajos submits to TUR) the province of Serbia is ceded to and Hungary becomes a vassal of the Ottomans. Should not in HUN 19009 B and 188009 B (Lajos/Janos submit and become vassals) also Serbia be ceded to the Ottomans? And in addition the cores of Hungary on Bosnia, Serbia and Dalmatia be removed? Dalmatia just in case that Hungary ahistorically did not sell the core to Venice.

Bordic · Nov 21, 2007

ConjurerDragon said:
Diplo-annexation of a christian hungary by a sunni Ottoman Empire? That is possible?

Sorry, I meant the inherit command we have in 19021 A. The cores could keep the vassalization of Hungary until her annexation.

If Lajos/alternatively Janos submit to Suleyman using the B choices of either event 19009/188009 or 19013 there will be at this time no Habsburg monarchs, Hungary will be an Ottoman vassal and the threat perceived is prevented. The Ottomans will need no cores on Austria and Hungary at this time because they have got what they wanted.

If Lajos/Janos insult Suleyman using the A choice then 19010 or 301066 will trigger. In both the borderland Banat of Temesvar should be added as core for the Ottomans which is approbiate for the description in the event text.

In HUN 19013 B (invasion of Hungary, Lajos submits to TUR) the province of Serbia is ceded to and Hungary becomes a vassal of the Ottomans. Should not in HUN 19009 B and 188009 B (Lajos/Janos submit and become vassals) also Serbia be ceded to the Ottomans? And in addition the cores of Hungary on Bosnia, Serbia and Dalmatia be removed? Dalmatia just in case that Hungary ahistorically did not sell the core to Venice.

Even if Lajos or his alternative monarch submit, shouldn't we grant some cores in Hungary to the Ottomans? How could they keep these provinces instead and until 1700s? What about future wars against Austria and the siege of Vienna of 1680s without a Turkish core on Austrian provinces?

EDIT: so imo events TUR_19019 and 19021 (due to fire in 1540) should have these cores on Hungary at least and eventually on Austria. And in this case cores should be given according to historical outcome ( except Ruthenia, Transylvania, Maros, Magyar. Pest, Carpathia) + Austria (prov #351) for permanent casus belli.

ConjurerDragon · Nov 21, 2007

Bordic said:
Sorry, I meant the inherit command we have in 19021 A. The cores could keep the vassalization of Hungary until her annexation.

I do not understand what you mean here. Having cores makes a vassalization last longer or better?

Even if Lajos or his alternative monarch submit, shouldn't we grant some cores in Hungary to the Ottomans? How could they keep these provinces instead and until 1700s? What about future wars against Austria and the siege of Vienna of 1680s without a Turkish core on Austrian provinces?

EDIT: so imo events TUR_19019 and 19021 (due to fire in 1540) should have these cores on Hungary at least and eventually on Austria. And in this case cores should be given according to historical outcome ( except Ruthenia, Transylvania, Maros, Magyar. Pest, Carpathia) + Austria (prov #351) for permanent casus belli.

The turkish cores go at that time in the balkans Dalmatia-Bosnia-Serbia even before this sequence. That is the reason that I asked if Hungary should give up the cores on these same provinces if it takes the ahistorical b choice in one of the 3 events and submits to the Ottomans.
Do you have an opinion on that point? Should the turkish vassal Hungary keep the cores on Bosnia/Serbia/perhaps Dalmatia or should these be removed if Hungary submits in the submission eventchoice?

We are currently discussing only the b choice. The ahistorical choice of the hungarian ruler to submit to the Ottomans. Only in this case the demands of the Ottomans are fulfilled and they have no need to conquer Hungary - or even to lay siege to Vienna as they did the first time historically - as the threat that the Habsburgs will rule Hungary is gone (at that moment) and Hungary is an Ottoman vassal - a buffer state.
In this case the Ottomans would need the cores only after Lajos dies or the vassalage is broken.

Edit: But in that case they would get the cores after 1520 and here is the Ottoman 1419 - 1520 thread. Should we continue here or in the other Ottoman thread from 1520 onward?

ConjurerDragon · Nov 21, 2007

Is it possible that the Ottomans get a core on Krain currently in the "Keys to Hungary" but that this core is not removed in the "Treaty of Karlowitz"? If so then the removecore ought to be added in the Karlowitz event.

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