Ottoman Empire too strong

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I find in Version 1.09 Ottoman Empire got too strong. They always kill Byzanz earlier then in history and have a huge army, so that they make many Problems for European countries. But the Computer is still too "noobish" to conquer Hungary.
I find there should be given for Byzanz more chances to survive and for the Computer more smartness so that OE also may conquer Hungary.

 

[Skarion]

Well, this is EU2 and an Eu3 is released.

Basicly there won't be any new official patches.

Download AGCEEP

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=82

It help trying to make everything more historical.

 

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The ottomans must be stronger then historical, because they face an Austria-Spain-Bavaria alliance sooner or later.

IRL there were very few spanish troops in Hungary during the 1500's, maybe 3-4000 merceneries, mostly as garrison forces.
However in the game, I saw 50-60k spanish armies marching in Dalmatia/Bánát/Greece/Anatolia during the turkish 'to Vienna' campaign...

 

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However in the game, I saw 50-60k spanish armies marching in Dalmatia/Bánát/Greece/Anatolia during the turkish 'to Vienna' campaign...

Thats the game. If in real the Spanish also had the choice but only didnt want to help, then its their problem. The game was made for 200 nations and not only for 5 superpowers or at least I want to have a game where also survival to play with nations like Trabizon.

 

[Raze]

OE is always too weak in my games. Hungary is way too strong.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

I find in Version 1.09 Ottoman Empire got too strong. They always kill Byzanz earlier then in history and have a huge army, so that they make many Problems for European countries. But the Computer is still too "noobish" to conquer Hungary.
I find there should be given for Byzanz more chances to survive and for the Computer more smartness so that OE also may conquer Hungary.

The Ottoman Empire is intended to be strong. Historically too strong for any single of it´s european neighbours to stop it until the 17th century.

They SHOULD make many problems for European countries - after all they did in history

That the Ottomans in the game do not conquer Byzanz exactly in 1453 is no big loss - important to the game is that they do capture it somewhere around that time.

 

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That the Ottomans in the game do not conquer Byzanz exactly in 1453 is no big loss - important to the game is that they do capture it somewhere around that time.

Its a big loss for the East Roman Empire to have a last chance of keeping hers existenz.

 

[Saulta]

I'd say Ottoman is one of the weakest majors in the game. They're only powerfull if controlled by a human player.

 

[Dark Scipio]

Strange, in my games (at least vanilla), they always too strong.
They grew much larger than in history, they convert everything (unlike reality)etc...

 

[BurningEGO]

I agree. OE is usually too weak. In MyMap AGCEEP they could turn out to be very strong, but only if they annexed Mameluks, etc. That, however, was rare, and they usually got stuck with mainland Turkey and the balkans.

 

[AdmiralNelson]

Judging by the responses in this thread, it seems the question of whether the OE is too strong or too weak has a highly subjective answer.

 

[Dark Scipio]

It depends on the games I think.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

Its a big loss for the East Roman Empire to have a last chance of keeping hers existenz.

Not at all. The East Roman Empire was "dead" long before 1453. Close to powerless to prevent anything in the lands beyond the walls.

Only a human player should be able to turn the tide and prevent something that in history had no chance not to happen - and it should be very hard to do so even for a player! -

But I do not understand your argument - if the Ottomans conquer Byzanz a year earlier or later than 1453 -what is the difference for the chance to keep existing?

 

[Hive]

OE isn't too strong, rather the opposite. And about Byzantium's chances for survival, I believe they are too big as is.