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Çağalazade Sinan Paşa (1539-1606) - Chief of Navy, Grand Vizier and Supreme Governor of Bagdad and Armenia
Köroğlu (1555c-1600c) - Janissary turned into Ottoman Robin Hood in Bolu Province in 1590's, Great Folk Hero
Fantastic account. I really do hope that Paradox uses your hard work.
Speaking For Ali Pasha Tepelenli (the Lion of Ioannina), even if he was an Albanian warlord, a ruler of the Ottoman empire, reigning over Epirus and the whole western of Greece with an Iron fist, he was deeply respected as a Leader who did great things for Epirus, and Ioannina in particular. To this day, despite numerous Ethnicistic attempts to villify him, he has earned the respect (and quite possibly secret admiration) of many people of Ioannina, myself included.
Reason? For him to be subdued in 1820, all the Pashas and Emirs of the Peloponese had to go along with most of their armies over to Ioannina, leaving Peloponese open to rebellion, which basically liberated Greece, starting in 25th of March 1821.
I must admit that Ottoman history is much more interesting than I thought. Having read all your posts in this thread, I realise that it is a shame that all of the other Europeans (us Greeks included) know so little about it. Hopefully once Turkey joins the EU, this can begin to change. There is so much we can benefit one another, if mutual respect is there.
Speaking For Ali Pasha Tepelenli (the Lion of Ioannina), even if he was an Albanian warlord, a ruler of the Ottoman empire, reigning over Epirus and the whole western of Greece with an Iron fist, he was deeply respected as a Leader who did great things for Epirus, and Ioannina in particular. To this day, despite numerous Ethnicistic attempts to villify him, he has earned the respect (and quite possibly secret admiration) of many people of Ioannina, myself included.
Reason? For him to be subdued in 1820, all the Pashas and Emirs of the Peloponese had to go along with most of their armies over to Ioannina, leaving Peloponese open to rebellion, which basically liberated Greece, starting in 25th of March 1821.
I must admit that Ottoman history is much more interesting than I thought. Having read all your posts in this thread, I realise that it is a shame that all of the other Europeans (us Greeks included) know so little about it. Hopefully once Turkey joins the EU, this can begin to change. There is so much we can benefit one another, if mutual respect is there.
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It's a less known fact but Ottoman Empire was more Greek/Byzantium than Turkish except for the fact that the state religion was Sunni Islam and the language was Ottoman (a variation of Turkish, Arab, Persian and Greek).Keravnos said:
A majority of the prominent Ottoman figures are Greek and the they were the favorites of the imperial bureaucracy and harem. Under the Ottomans, the Greek merchant fleet rivaled that of the Venetians, they became appointed as the princes of distant Ottoman vassal countries and their churches were under imperial support and protection. Until the 18th century and the corruption, decadence, disintegration and ethnic disturbances started the Greeks were enjoying the benefits of the empire more than any other nation.
And to add to that the first Greek uprising was in Romania... Where the Greeks had replaced the local lords as the Ottomans overlords in the 18th century... The aim was not to set up Hallas... but to reverse the ranks of the Ottoman Empire... i.e Christians on top!
But Tunch... Ottoman State craft did also owe allot to Islamo-Persian forms of statecraft...
It was a mix of Roman and Islamic civilisation.....
But Tunch... Ottoman State craft did also owe allot to Islamo-Persian forms of statecraft...
It was a mix of Roman and Islamic civilisation.....
I posted the following in another thread. This is an addition to the list at the beginning of this thread. They come from Inalcik's Ottoman Empire Classical Age 1300-1600. It is no coincidence that there are many in Mehmed II.'s reign. He was a great supporter of learning.
Sedefkar Mehmed Aga: Architect. Great Sinan's student. Architect of Sultan Ahmed a.k.a. Blue Mosque. Was Chief Architect between 1606-1622.
Mimar Hayrettin: Architect of the famous Mostar bridge in 1566.
Ismail Han (Rumi): Architect. Dome expert. Built the dome of Taj Mahal. He can be a leader for Mughals as well.
Hocazade Mustafa: (d.1488) Mehmed II era. Famous scholar (religious matters).
Alaeddin Tusi: (d.1482) Famous scholar. Invited from Iran by Murat II. returned to Iran after Hocazade Mustafa's work was deemed superior to his by the scholars in a written debate ordered by Mehmed II.
Molla Gurani: (1416-1488) Religous scholar. Promoted to Kazasker and Sheik-ul Islam (highest possible ranks) by Mehmed II.
Mehmed Fenari: Scholar of deductive sciences. Wrote textbook on on Logic. 15th century (?)
Kadizade Musa Pasa: 'Genius' mathematician and astronomer. Went to Samarkand, and became the head of Ulug Beg's (Great Astronomer, Timurid Emperor-grandson of Timur) Observatory (one of the best in the world at the time). Teacher of Ali Kuscu, Molla Lutfi and Mirim Celebi, all famous astronomers and mathematicians.
Yirmisekiz Mehmet Celebi: Able Diplomat. Sent to France in 1721.
Said Celebi: Son of 28 Mehmet Celebi. Brought printing press to Turkey with Ibrahim Muteferrika.
Molla Kabiz: Contraversial religious scholar. Claimed that Jesus was superior to all other prophets including Mohammed. He was tried once, but found innocent. Sultan Suleyman didn't like this result, and asked for another trial, in which he was found guilty, and killed in 1527.
Ibn Kemal: Religous scholar. Same time with Molla Kabiz.
Yazicizade Ahmet: Wrote an important book on religion, reign of Mehmed II.
Taskopruluzade Ahmet: Religious/Humanities scholar. 1495-1561.
Sedefkar Mehmed Aga: Architect. Great Sinan's student. Architect of Sultan Ahmed a.k.a. Blue Mosque. Was Chief Architect between 1606-1622.
Mimar Hayrettin: Architect of the famous Mostar bridge in 1566.
Ismail Han (Rumi): Architect. Dome expert. Built the dome of Taj Mahal. He can be a leader for Mughals as well.
Hocazade Mustafa: (d.1488) Mehmed II era. Famous scholar (religious matters).
Alaeddin Tusi: (d.1482) Famous scholar. Invited from Iran by Murat II. returned to Iran after Hocazade Mustafa's work was deemed superior to his by the scholars in a written debate ordered by Mehmed II.
Molla Gurani: (1416-1488) Religous scholar. Promoted to Kazasker and Sheik-ul Islam (highest possible ranks) by Mehmed II.
Mehmed Fenari: Scholar of deductive sciences. Wrote textbook on on Logic. 15th century (?)
Kadizade Musa Pasa: 'Genius' mathematician and astronomer. Went to Samarkand, and became the head of Ulug Beg's (Great Astronomer, Timurid Emperor-grandson of Timur) Observatory (one of the best in the world at the time). Teacher of Ali Kuscu, Molla Lutfi and Mirim Celebi, all famous astronomers and mathematicians.
Yirmisekiz Mehmet Celebi: Able Diplomat. Sent to France in 1721.
Said Celebi: Son of 28 Mehmet Celebi. Brought printing press to Turkey with Ibrahim Muteferrika.
Molla Kabiz: Contraversial religious scholar. Claimed that Jesus was superior to all other prophets including Mohammed. He was tried once, but found innocent. Sultan Suleyman didn't like this result, and asked for another trial, in which he was found guilty, and killed in 1527.
Ibn Kemal: Religous scholar. Same time with Molla Kabiz.
Yazicizade Ahmet: Wrote an important book on religion, reign of Mehmed II.
Taskopruluzade Ahmet: Religious/Humanities scholar. 1495-1561.
That's a valuable addition Beylerbeyi, thnx. I'm looking forward to get my hands on the game so we can mod them all in. 
Allright, allright, I'll keep my faith in Paradox until the release.
Allright, allright, I'll keep my faith in Paradox until the release.
Sheikh Idris-i Bitlisi
A former servant of the Iranian crown. He was Selim the Grims policy advicer on the Kurdish tribes. He was instrumental in the creation of the emirate system in Kurdistan which ensured Ottoman power in the region and wrote the Sherifname... a history and genology of the main Kurdish tribes of the region...
A former servant of the Iranian crown. He was Selim the Grims policy advicer on the Kurdish tribes. He was instrumental in the creation of the emirate system in Kurdistan which ensured Ottoman power in the region and wrote the Sherifname... a history and genology of the main Kurdish tribes of the region...
Speaking of Kurdish political figures;
Sharafkhan Bitlisi (1543-1607) - General, Dynastic Governor (Khan) of Bitlis, Bey of Kurdish Beys in Iran and Historian
Sharafkhan Bitlisi (1543-1607) - General, Dynastic Governor (Khan) of Bitlis, Bey of Kurdish Beys in Iran and Historian
Ehmedê Xanî
Our Trouble
Bartender! For the love of God, please
Pour some wine into the crystal glass
Let the glass with the wine show the world
Let there appear whatever it is that we wish
Let the events ahead of us come to light
Let us know if the future holds promise for us
Look! Our misfortune has reached its zenith,
Has it started to come down do you think?
Or will it remain so,
Until come upon us the end of time?
Is it possible, I wonder, that for us, too
A star will emerge out of the firmament?
Let the luck be on our side for once,
Let our lady luck wake up for change.
Let there emerge from within us, too,
One to shoulder the earth
Let there be a king of our own, too.
Let his sword attest to our might
Let it be known the power of our pen,
Let there be an answer to our trouble
Let there be an demand for our knowledge.
If we had an exalted leader,
A do-gooder wanting a poem
Our bullion, too, would be stamped
It wouldn't be so unwanted and suspect.
However pure and clean they may be,
Value is added to gold and silver with a stamp
If we had a king,
If God saw him deserving of a crown
If a throne was appointed to him,
Our luck would turn around.
If he, too, was provided with a crown
Of course, for us too there would be respect.
He would feel sorry for us orphans,
He would set us free from bondage to the cravens.
They would not be vicorious over us these Turks
Ours would not turn into ghost towns,
We wouldn't become fugitives, dispossessed, wretched,
We wouldn't bow our heads in defeat to the Turks, the Tadjiks
But God made it so from time memorial
He made the Turks and the Persians attack us.
Although it is disgraceful to be their subjects,
This disgrace belongs to the persons of repute
This is a matter of honor for the Chiefs, the leaders
What can the troubadours and the dispossessed do?
Who ever took the mighty sword in his hand,
Established in a manly manner a state for himself.
Becuase the world is like a prize bride,
Its fate, too, is determined by the mighty sword
But its dowry [2], trousseau, jewels and wedding presents
Are goodness, generosity, kindness and forgiveness.
I asked the world, "What is your dowry?"
"Benevolence", it said to me.
In short, "with the sword and goodness,
the world submits and bows its head to man".
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?
They have conquered the spring of fame with sword
They have subjugated the land of benevolence
Every one of their chiefs is of Hatem's generosity
And of Rostem's [3] bravery is every one of their men
Look! From Arbia to Georgia
It is all but Kurdish lands like a fortress
Like a great wall the Kurds stand between the Turks and the Persians
Here and there are all the Kurds occupying all four corners
Both sides make the Kurdish clans
Targets of their poison-tipped arrows
As if the Kurds hold the key to crossing the borders
Each clan is as strong as a great wall
However rough and stromy they get
This Turkish ocean and Persian sea
It is the Kurds who are splattered with blood
And like a rampart separates the two.
Generosity, benevolence, bravery,
Chivalry, guardianship and valor
All are credited to the Kurdish clans
The fame of their sword and their benevolence is farflung
To the same extent they cherish freedom and independence,
They hate submission and obligations.
It is the spirit of independence and exalted benevolence
That has become the obstacle to shouldering the burden of obligation
Always without unity it is because of this
Divided and pitched against one another they stand
If we had unity amongst ourselves,
If we all together obeyed one another
The Turks, the Arabs and the Persians
Would all together be in our servitude
Then we would perfect the art of government and religion
Then we would acquire all the wisdom and command nature
Wheat would be separarated from the chaff then,
Would come forth the real achievers then.
Our Trouble
Bartender! For the love of God, please
Pour some wine into the crystal glass
Let the glass with the wine show the world
Let there appear whatever it is that we wish
Let the events ahead of us come to light
Let us know if the future holds promise for us
Look! Our misfortune has reached its zenith,
Has it started to come down do you think?
Or will it remain so,
Until come upon us the end of time?
Is it possible, I wonder, that for us, too
A star will emerge out of the firmament?
Let the luck be on our side for once,
Let our lady luck wake up for change.
Let there emerge from within us, too,
One to shoulder the earth
Let there be a king of our own, too.
Let his sword attest to our might
Let it be known the power of our pen,
Let there be an answer to our trouble
Let there be an demand for our knowledge.
If we had an exalted leader,
A do-gooder wanting a poem
Our bullion, too, would be stamped
It wouldn't be so unwanted and suspect.
However pure and clean they may be,
Value is added to gold and silver with a stamp
If we had a king,
If God saw him deserving of a crown
If a throne was appointed to him,
Our luck would turn around.
If he, too, was provided with a crown
Of course, for us too there would be respect.
He would feel sorry for us orphans,
He would set us free from bondage to the cravens.
They would not be vicorious over us these Turks
Ours would not turn into ghost towns,
We wouldn't become fugitives, dispossessed, wretched,
We wouldn't bow our heads in defeat to the Turks, the Tadjiks
But God made it so from time memorial
He made the Turks and the Persians attack us.
Although it is disgraceful to be their subjects,
This disgrace belongs to the persons of repute
This is a matter of honor for the Chiefs, the leaders
What can the troubadours and the dispossessed do?
Who ever took the mighty sword in his hand,
Established in a manly manner a state for himself.
Becuase the world is like a prize bride,
Its fate, too, is determined by the mighty sword
But its dowry [2], trousseau, jewels and wedding presents
Are goodness, generosity, kindness and forgiveness.
I asked the world, "What is your dowry?"
"Benevolence", it said to me.
In short, "with the sword and goodness,
the world submits and bows its head to man".
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?
They have conquered the spring of fame with sword
They have subjugated the land of benevolence
Every one of their chiefs is of Hatem's generosity
And of Rostem's [3] bravery is every one of their men
Look! From Arbia to Georgia
It is all but Kurdish lands like a fortress
Like a great wall the Kurds stand between the Turks and the Persians
Here and there are all the Kurds occupying all four corners
Both sides make the Kurdish clans
Targets of their poison-tipped arrows
As if the Kurds hold the key to crossing the borders
Each clan is as strong as a great wall
However rough and stromy they get
This Turkish ocean and Persian sea
It is the Kurds who are splattered with blood
And like a rampart separates the two.
Generosity, benevolence, bravery,
Chivalry, guardianship and valor
All are credited to the Kurdish clans
The fame of their sword and their benevolence is farflung
To the same extent they cherish freedom and independence,
They hate submission and obligations.
It is the spirit of independence and exalted benevolence
That has become the obstacle to shouldering the burden of obligation
Always without unity it is because of this
Divided and pitched against one another they stand
If we had unity amongst ourselves,
If we all together obeyed one another
The Turks, the Arabs and the Persians
Would all together be in our servitude
Then we would perfect the art of government and religion
Then we would acquire all the wisdom and command nature
Wheat would be separarated from the chaff then,
Would come forth the real achievers then.
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Levni Abducelil Celebi (1680-1732) - A poet and a painter, he was originally from Edirne. In the service of the court at Istanbul, Levni introduced European elements into Ottoman painting, while at the same time preserving its basic nature. The influence of this artist was considerable. In addition to his portraits and albums, he illustrated a large number of manuscripts. These include the Surname-i Vehbi, which describes festivities that took place in 1720, and which was presented to Ahmet III in 1727 and 1728. Dimitrie Cantemir, who lived in Istanbul from 1701 to 1710, referred to Levni as an imperial painter, based on the 22 portraits of sultans that Cantemir turned into engravings to illustrate his History of the Growth and Decay of the Othman Empire (London, 1734).
Portrait of Sultan Mustafa II by Levni.
Portrait of Sultan Mustafa II by Levni.