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In my current game that I started as Friedrich von Hohenstaufen (Count of St Gallen in the game) I´m a bit annoyed by the "no heirs" icon in the upper right.

Where is Friedrichs brother? Otto von Büren was Friedrichs brother and later would become Bishop of Strassbourg.

Otto should be in the game as sibling of Friedrich and as heir in case of no children.

Are such changes still part of the beta patches or would something like this only be added by modding?

The german wiki has an entry about him:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Büren_(Bischof))
 
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In my current game that I started as Friedrich von Hohenstaufen (Count of St Gallen in the game) I´m a bit annoyed by the "no heirs" icon in the upper right.

Where is Friedrichs brother? Otto von Büren was Friedrichs brother and later would become Bishop of Strassbourg.

Otto should be in the game as sibling of Friedrich and as heir in case of no children.

Are such changes still part of the beta patches or would something like this only be added by modding?

The german wiki has an entry about him:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Büren_(Bischof)

Something like this would only be added in mods. The development on CK-DV has stopped, only when a crash-bug is found will it be fixed

According to this site, Friedrich and Otto had several other siblings to

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#FriedrichIStaufenSwabiadied1105A

And this site also lists them as siblings

http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hohst/hohenstauf.html
 
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Something like this would only be added in mods. The development on CK-DV has stopped, only when a crash-bug is found will it be fixed

According to this site, Friedrich and Otto had several other siblings to

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#FriedrichIStaufenSwabiadied1105A

And this site also lists them as siblings

http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hohst/hohenstauf.html

In that case could you move this thread to the scenarios and modifications subforum?
 

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I would advise you to post your suggestions for the Staufen in this thread.

Trying to understand how a character could be added to the game I first looked at the ID of the dynasty.
And found two ID´s for Hohenstaufen in /DB/dynasties.txt

Code:
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 251 }
	name = "von Hohenstaufen"
	province = { }
}


dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 529 }
	name = "von Hohenstaufen"
	province = { }
}

Is that supposed to be that way? Or should there be only one von Hohenstaufen dynasty?
 

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It is not supposed to be that way, but it also isn't a big problem. It probably just means that in the different scenarios, different ID's are used.

Here is the rest of his family, when creating a new character it is important that he has an unique ID and that he is placed in an existing court.

In the 1066, the father of the count of Sankt Gallen, dies in 1053. This is problematic when you have several children to add and the existing count Friedrich is born in 1049.

According to some sources the father of count Friedrich only died in 1068, this would solve the problem

I would suggest the following for the children

Code:
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="Lime"]20097054[/COLOR] }
	name = "Otto"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1050 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "35693402082015"
	attributes = {
		martial = 3
		diplomacy = 8
		intrigue = 9
		stewardship = 6
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		chaste = yes
		scholarly_theologian = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="lime"]20097055[/COLOR] }
	name = "Ludwig"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1051 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "35013411082002"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 6
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		martial_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="lime"]20097056[/COLOR] }
	name = "Walther"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1053 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "35003400080302"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 3
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 6
		health = 4
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		court_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="lime"]20097057[/COLOR] }
	name = "Konrad"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1055 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "35043409330302"
	attributes = {
		martial = 3
		diplomacy = 3
		intrigue = 7
		stewardship = 7
		health = 4
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		court_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="lime"]20097058[/COLOR] }
	name = "Adalheid"
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1057 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "35043409020302"
	attributes = {
		martial = 3
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 6
		health = 4
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		ecclesiastical_education = yes
	}
}
 
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Clearly states that the father died before 1054, but it gives as the birthyear for the daughter (Adalheid) 1056 ! It also says that the son Konrad was a child of the 2nd marriage by the mother of Friedrich Hohenstaufen.

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Also if you change the death-date of the father, then don't forget to edit the marriage-info in 1066_scenario_relations.inc

Code:
marrige = {
		primary = { type = 10 id = 7053}
		secondary = { type = 10 id = 7052 }
		startdate = { year = 1044 month = january day = 1 }
		enddate = { year = 1053 month = january day = 1 }
	}
 

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Here is the rest of his family, when creating a new character it is important that he has an unique ID and that he is placed in an existing court.

The statblock of the character needs to be copied into the 1066_scenario_characters.inc? How would that character then be placed in a specific court?

In the 1066, the father of the count of Sankt Gallen, dies in 1053. This is problematic when you have several children to add and the existing count Friedrich is born in 1049.

Why is that problematic when the father of Friedrich dies after Friedrich is born? Or do you mean that the children to be added must be born AFTER Friedrich and BEFORE the death of the father?

birthdate = { year = 1050 month = january day = 1 }

Why no deathdate? It would be 03. August 1100 according to WIKI.
 

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The statblock of the character needs to be copied into the 1066_scenario_characters.inc? How would that character then be placed in a specific court?

Yes those entries need to be added in 1066_scenario_characters.inc

They currently are all placed in the court of the count of St Gallen (county C248)

Code:
country = C248


Why is that problematic when the father of Friedrich dies after Friedrich is born? Or do you mean that the children to be added must be born AFTER Friedrich and BEFORE the death of the father?

What I mean is that it looks strange in the file/game when children are born after the death of the father. The game won't crash because of it, it just looks wrong :)

Why no deathdate? It would be 03. August 1100 according to WIKI.

There is no point in adding deathdates (dates later then the startingdate) in the game-file, since they don't mean anything in the game. Deaths of characters are random. Friedrich Hohenstaufen might die in your game in 1067 already, while in another game he might live to 1125.
 

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Code:
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="Lime"]20097054[/COLOR] }
	name = "Otto"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1049 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1100 month = august day = 3 }
	dna = "35693402082015"
	attributes = {
		martial = 3
		diplomacy = 8
		intrigue = 9
		stewardship = 6
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		chaste = yes
		scholarly_theologian = yes
                cruel = yes
	}
}

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="lime"]20097055[/COLOR] }
	name = "Ludwig"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1048 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "35013411082002"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 6
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		martial_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="lime"]20097056[/COLOR] }
	name = "Walther"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1054 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "35003400080302"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 3
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 6
		health = 4
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		court_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="lime"]20097057[/COLOR] }
	name = "Konrad"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1053 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1095 month = july day = 23 }
	dna = "35043409330302"
	attributes = {
		martial = 3
		diplomacy = 3
		intrigue = 7
		stewardship = 7
		health = 4
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		court_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = [COLOR="lime"]20097058[/COLOR] }
	name = "Adalheid"
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =529 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 7053 }
	mother = { type = 10  id = 7052}
	country = C248
	religion = catholic
	culture = German
	birthdate = { year = 1047 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "35043409020302"
	attributes = {
		martial = 3
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 6
		health = 4
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		ecclesiastical_education = yes
	}
}

I put the birthdates into the same timeline as the table about the Staufers so even if the exact birthdates are unknown Friedrich is like the historical the 4th child, Otto/Ludwig/Adelheid are older and Konrad and Walther are younger.

What is the naming convention in CK for characters?
When considering Friedrich as the founder of the Staufer dynasty then his brothers would still be "von Büren" instead of "Hohenstaufen" - would they for simplicity simply be Hohenstaufen in the game or could Otto be von Büren and still be a heir when he is the son of Friedrich´s parents?

What trait would best describe the event in which Otto´s men murder his rival Hugo von Egisheim in his own bedroom in Otto´s presence? Cruel?
 
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What is the naming convention in CK for characters?
When considering Friedrich as the founder of the Staufer dynasty then his brothers would still be "von Büren" instead of "Hohenstaufen" - would they for simplicity simply be Hohenstaufen in the game or could Otto be von Büren and still be a heir when he is the son of Friedrich´s parents?

What trait would best describe the event in which Otto´s men murder his rival Hugo von Egisheim in his own bedroom in Otto´s presence? Cruel?

If you name his brothers 'von Büren' then if you play Friedrich and he dies without a son, it wil be game over. Since his brothers are of a different dynastie then.

Cruel and Vengeful sounds like good traits for Otto
 

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If you name his brothers 'von Büren' then if you play Friedrich and he dies without a son, it wil be game over. Since his brothers are of a different dynastie then.

Cruel and Vengeful sounds like good traits for Otto

Added Cruel. Would you mind if I would copy and paste the list of characters to the DVIP thread and suggest to add them?