other diplomacy focused nations besides Austria?

[Autoclave]

What other diplomacy focused nations are there in the game, in europe?

 

[Panzerschiffe]

Palatinate have diplo rep in their ideas and diplo relation in their traditions.

 

[Zak Preston]

Provence has +2 Dip. relations NI and +1 Dip. reputation, but they are in a very hard starting position.

 

[dirtInfestor2]

Palatinate have diplo rep in their ideas and diplo relation in their traditions.

Same with Saxony iirc

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Huron, Krakow, Trebizond, Swahili ideas also. Two of those are European.

 

[Wildcat_PL]

Huron, Krakow, Trebizond, Swahili ideas also. Two of those are European.

Everything east of Constantinople is asia in real live. And Turkey wants in European Union ;p

 

[KPJ]

Timurids can do a lot with a diplomatic-focused idea set; there are tons of little Sunni nations around to vassalize, and the horde nations change borders so often that making/releasing/forcing vassals in the north gives lots of cores to feed them (i.e. I took one province from Uzbek to release Khazakh as my one-province vassal, then they had nearly a dozen cores that I could feed them from the neighbouring countries), and similarly in the Mesopotamia region, and eventually the Turkish region I'd imagine.

 

[Incompetent]

Nobody is as strong diplomatically as Austria, and most minors unfortunately don't have any diplomatic bonuses in their NIs, but a good diplomatic game is essential as any French, German or Italian minor.

Poland's NIs are military-focused, but with the elective monarchy, you can accomplish great things with the right kind of diplomatic mindset.

 

[Slym]

Selisia also has +1 rep and better relations over time in its ideas

 

[HerrStarr]

Savoy

 

[Thesian]

Provence has +2 Dip. relations NI and +1 Dip. reputation, but they are in a very hard starting position.

I tried a lot of different starts with Provence. What worked out best was:
1. Occupy 3 English provinces and peace out for war reparations ASAP. That's quite a bit of money since England is filthy rich now. Improve relations with the ABC (Austria, Burgrundy, Castille). Fabricate a claim on Brittany.
2. Sell Barrois to Burgundy. That removes any hard feelings between your two nations and makes you small enough to join the HRE at 184 relations. You could also sell it to Lorraine, but then Burgundy will continue to hate you.
3. Marry the ABC when all relations are or close to maxed by waiting for one offer, offer Alliances to the other two simulataneously and accept their offers. Join HRE.
4. DOW and vassilise Brittany. France shouldn't have warned you by then. Your 10% starting morale bonus alone allows you to wreck them even without a good general.
Now you can rotate expansion into Aragon with Castilles help, into France with 2 or 3 of your allies and into Northern Italy all by yourself without Austria giving you grief.

It was actually my first AOW game in Europe that I played past the league wars and the only one i played till 1821.

Quite proud of my Rhine Confederacy clients, they built the second largest army in the world without ever getting any subsidies.

 

[ahyangyi]

German minors, Italy(and Italian minors), Savoy, Saxony and Palatinate all have okayish diplomacy bonus.

Well HRE was where you play diplomacy game like crazy, so no wonder why almost everyone (except Brandenburg, Bohemia and Bavaria, who are big enough) get some sort of diplomacy bonus.

You can also look it up http://www.eu4wiki.com/National_idea_bonuses#Diplomatic_Relations

Hmm, finally let me introduce Yaroslavl, who is great at both improving relations and fabricating claims (and has the usual +1 diplomatic reputation bonus)... In fact, Yaroslavl is the best nation when it comes to the improve relationship bonus (+50%), though I'm not sure how useful this is...

EDIT: Yaroslavl also begins with a Rurikid ruler, which shares dynasty with almost all other non-republic Russian nations. I'm not sure whether forcing a PU over Muscovy is worth it though...

 

[atwix]

Provence. Savoy. Palatinate. But savoy is i HRE, which can be good/bad. What region you prefer btw? There are load of other nations. The knights, for example.

 

[Autoclave]

Provence. Savoy. Palatinate. But savoy is i HRE, which can be good/bad. What region you prefer btw? There are load of other nations. The knights, for example.

I would like to compete diplomatically with austria, is it even possible? They have a crapload of diplo relations slots

 

[Denkt]

I would like to compete diplomatically with austria, is it even possible? They have a crapload of diplo relations slots

Yes you can, diplomacy is alot about war which is generaly not considered to be Austrias strength, losses in field mean losses in court, a weak Austria is not much of a diplomatic threat, an annexed Austria is not a threat at all

 

[ahyangyi]

Yes you can, diplomacy is alot about war which is generaly not considered to be Austrias strength, losses in field mean losses in court, a weak Austria is not much of a diplomatic threat, an annexed Austria is not a threat at all

That's what Prussia said...