"exquisite", wasn't that what you were going to say?
no offense, but this is the worst midi i've heard in a long long time (and i'm a midi freak and music major).
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"exquisite", wasn't that what you were going to say?
no offense, but this is the worst midi i've heard in a long long time (and i'm a midi freak and music major).
Nah, Vulture, you can't equate Heer with SS. Yeah, Heer did sometimes took part if atrocities, so did SS, but there is difference in magnitude. Not to mention deathcamps businnes.Originally posted by Vulture
Of course, such activites were not a privilige for the SS, das Heer did just as many stupid things.
But on the other hand, people in Europe should be a little less sensitive when it comes to re-enacting the military side of WWII and even the Waffen-SS. As long as people don't start re-enacting Auschwitz or the Ustasha, there should be no problem. People seem to have no problem with other people re-enacting military moves by Douglas McArthurt, who was questionable in some things just alike. Anyway, I find re-enacting really interesting. And no matter how you turn it, the Waffen-SS is an interesting unit. I guess it's part of the legend. They behaved like pigs from time to time, but pigs are remembered in history... Just look at Nero, Napoleon, and others...
People are entitled not to aprove with re-enacting and such. But others are just as entitled to find it interesting. Personally I don't see the problem and I like re-enacting, collecting uniforms, etc etc. in a historical way...
Comparing them with Napoleon, Mc Arthur, or Nero, well... maybe istrobietylnye battalions or Mongol campaign in China, but not those guys.
For you, the line is at reenacting Auschwitz. For others, it may be drawn somewhere else, and SS might be over it. Frankly, i would feel rather uneasy myself.
Well, anyway, reenaciting is cool. And if there are SS units also, well, the better, you have enemy
Its hard to tell what Jools could mean, freaky as he isOriginally posted by Apollon
"exquisite", wasn't that what you were going to say?
no offense, but this is the worst midi i've heard in a long long time (and i'm a midi freak and music major).
Sorry, but for me, the Waffen SS were not only elite troops, but :
the criminals who only in 1944, on the western front :
killed french and belgiums civilians,
slaughered americans troops in Malmedy during the Ardennes offensives,
organized planed famine in Holland during the winter 1944/1945...
and thinks about the horrors they commited on the eastern front.
Another reasons, I dislike the Waffen SS, it is because it represented all the traitors the occupied Europe give to Germany.
The Waffen SS foreign units were composed of the worst collaborationnists, of the traitors, french, belges, dutch, scandinaves who fight for the germans and for Hitler...
You have the right to re-enact germans troops from WWII, and I find it interessant. Because I'm very interressed myself in history and especially military history.
But re-enacting as waffen SS soldiers seems to me going a little bit far.
And it will bring upon you the kind of suspicions, I have but it will come from less open mind people.
I don't think, you can compared the SS units to the behave of US troops under Mac Arthur. Never, never, never...
From one side, you have the americans...
From the others side, you have the beasts, the criminals in black uniforms who were hate by all Europe, even by their own coutrymen, even by their comrades in arms from the Wehrmacht...
What Nero did 2000 years ago were horrors. But nobody here forgot it. And nobody want to re-enact Nero legioanires killing christians...
Did, legionnaires really kill christians? I though, apart from few orgies, he burned Rome (really?), and throw a few to the lions.
Btw, Mann, don't feel picked upon.
there's substantial doubt whether nero had anything to do with the fire of rome. there were fires similar to this one all the time, like every 2 years or so. you're quite right to question it.
and i too doubt that legionnaires were involved in the persecution of christians (although they might have done it in their leave time
).
uagh, I happened to step across that lsah site before, trying to find out more about my grand-uncle who served in the Musik-Zug of that particular unit playing the tuba and contrabass. he died of leucaemia in the late 80s and lived a few hundred kms away before, so i didnt exactly have a chance of asking him stuff. i have a photo of him with 3 other guys and their instruments. that rather looks like a jazz quartett, only in ss uniforms, weird photo that...
about re-enacting, we have some people doing that around here. they keep replaying the liberation wars against the napoleonic forces every year. never watched that though...
re-enacting ss? tasteless in my opinion. how un-nazi the involved persons might be...i think stuff like this might attract "fans"?
about re-enacting, we have some people doing that around here. they keep replaying the liberation wars against the napoleonic forces every year. never watched that though...
re-enacting ss? tasteless in my opinion. how un-nazi the involved persons might be...i think stuff like this might attract "fans"?
I have never been near re-enacting myself. In Sweden the most common military re-enacting period is I think the Great Northern War 1700-1721.
i dont feel piced on. SS re-enacting is very "taboo" i guess, as an american i do not know what it is like to have a inavding army take over my country. i am well aware of the war crimes of the SS and the 1SS LAH is particular but they were good fighting men and i cant imagine every single SS man was evil. Conseder that most allied nations after WW1 screwed germany. the german boys that fought in WW2 were tought to hate jews,french,english,russians. after hearing that for days and years it got pounded in there brains that what they were doing was right.
you´ll be right there man. it´s just...um ...tasteless. That´s not the same as if I´d say, you´re some wicked guy and nazi fanboy. heaven forbid. I personally couldn´t do re-enacting of ss men. I do like to play germany in ww2 strategy games though.
these topics dance on a very thin line i think....
it all gets funnier when you consider the LSAH might be someone´s family history. as mentioned my granduncle Willi was in that unit and as a child i got to know him as a very kind men, emotional, warm-hearted and professional musician. he earned his money as a music teacher. hardly someone i could consider a war criminal.
then a cousin of my grandfather 'Onkel Karl', a man with a big red nose, loud, laughing all day and scaring the kids, drunk on every family festivity till his death boasted to have taken part in fighting the Partizans in occupied territory with his ss police division. you all know what this partizan thing was he talked of. guess what his postwar job was: Policeman.
the loads of stories i heard of my granddad, broken eastern front veteran with russian captivity afterwards, added a lot to my opinions regarding wars and fascist themes.
still i like ww2 strategy games. i do get your point on where the thin line is stepped over.
these topics dance on a very thin line i think....
it all gets funnier when you consider the LSAH might be someone´s family history.
as mentioned my granduncle Willi was in that unit and as a child i got to know him as a very kind men, emotional, warm-hearted and professional musician. he earned his money as a music teacher. hardly someone i could consider a war criminal.then a cousin of my grandfather 'Onkel Karl', a man with a big red nose, loud, laughing all day and scaring the kids, drunk on every family festivity till his death boasted to have taken part in fighting the Partizans in occupied territory with his ss police division. you all know what this partizan thing was he talked of. guess what his postwar job was: Policeman.
the loads of stories i heard of my granddad, broken eastern front veteran with russian captivity afterwards, added a lot to my opinions regarding wars and fascist themes.
still i like ww2 strategy games. i do get your point on where the thin line is stepped over.
Der Mann:
Can Jewish guys join your group?
I suppose it is *theoretically* possible for people to form an SS reenactment club without an implicit or explicit political message, but it is incredibily counterintuitive. If the point is to simulate *elite* troop life, why not a non-SS unit, say Gross Deutschland, or Panzer Lehr, Afrika Korp even?
Can Jewish guys join your group?
I suppose it is *theoretically* possible for people to form an SS reenactment club without an implicit or explicit political message, but it is incredibily counterintuitive. If the point is to simulate *elite* troop life, why not a non-SS unit, say Gross Deutschland, or Panzer Lehr, Afrika Korp even?
there are Units like Afrika Korps, Grossdeutschand,panzer lehr, i chose the 1SS division because i wanted to portray an elite soldat. jewish people can join. read our unit disclamer. we are a NON-POLITICAL UNIT we dont even have a swastika flag. SykoNurse thats cool i had a family member who fought with 2nd SS "Das Reich" he died in the war and i dont know much about him. deep down they were regular soldat following orders.
I don´t think you can generalize that last sentence. a lot were not IMO, the system furthered them dig out the perverts in themselves. evil/sick bastards stripped of any human/civilized restrictions let loose.
There´s a whole big difference between guys like my grandpa that couldnt stop crying when he told of the things he´d witnessed (theres this one story involving a fleeing child he nerver could finish to tell...
) and other asses like Karl that aged 80something still boasted of "showing them" and the like. no regret, nothing. may he burn in hell. i´m not sure if it´s "cool" to have family members that were in the SS. I´m happy though that my granduncle was NOT a war criminal as was my grandpa´s cousin. ...
back to topic: the SS are a criminal organisation. since you appear to be a US citizen, I regard that as tasteless. If something like your re-enactment happened around here, I´d strongly oppose that as being criminal/glorifying a criminal system.
I am sure you habe proper intentions, but if I were you I would choose any other unit than a SS-one. Any occupied country can name at least a dozen attrocities committed by the SS during occupation. On a scale of evil from 1 to 10 they score 99.
When you enter into discussions of individual SS soldier motivation, then your non-political status starts to slip a bit.
meh, joining a SS-unit in historical re-enactment itself says something even if there disclaimers.
Very tasteless.
Understandable. I totaly agree and disagree with you all. In America they are elite units, and thought of that way. maybe if you grew up here and i grew up in europe we would understand each other better. I dont want anyone to think i am anti-semetic or a nazi or anything because i assure you all that i am NOT. tasteless as it may seem i portray a waffen SS soldat on the battle field.
To give you a euro-perspective: To me it feels like a Al-quaida reenactor would feel to you.
